is an 8/7 wetsuit inappropriate for warmer water?

[g1138]

Okay.

1. Pee IS body temperature. WHAT ELSE COULD IT BE.

2. You pee IN YOUR WETSUIT during your SI? That's just gross. Take your wetsuit down, pee OUTSIDE of your wetsuit during your SI. Outside.

Pee's stored in your bladder and in your pelvic region, not near any major skeletal muscles. Maybe it's a little below body temp on exit, I never measured it and I've never had anyone measure it and tell me.

And YOU try taking off a thick farmer john that conforms to your waist so you can shimmy shimmy to the urinal to relieve yourself. I ain't doing it, I'm lazy and would rather rinse off later.
It's not like I can flush my suit anyways. TT_TT.

 

[Karibelle]

Pee's stored in your bladder and in your pelvic region, not near any major skeletal muscles. Maybe it's a little below body temp, I never measured it and I've never had anyone measure it and tell me.

And YOU try taking off a thick farmer john that conforms to your waist so you can shimmy shimmy to the urinal to relieve yourself. I ain't doing it, I'm lazy and would rather rinse off later.
It's not like I can flush my suit anyways TT_TT.

You are kidding right?

 

[mjatkins]

You are real close to an "aha" moment.

Yes, you lose heat to the cool water. Yes, water conduction of heat is superior to air conduction of heat.

Instead of going into all kinds of heat transfer explanations, think about this scenario. Take a nice warm summer day - say 85 degrees in the shade. Put on long underwear, heavy clothes, and a typical winter jacket. Now do push ups, jumping jacks, or another heavy exercise activity. Can the air next to your skin ever get over 98.6? If not, why would you ever be uncomfortable?

Because "you lose heat to the cool water." "water conduction of heat is superior to air conduction of heat."?

[/QUOTE]Although water removes heat more efficiently than air, is overheating impossible in water when wearing a heavy wetsuit?[/QUOTE]

No? Not in 75 degree water?

Bring me to that "aha moment". Go into all kinds of transfer explanations, I think we are past the point of being vague.

 

[g1138]

You are kidding right?

About the peeing during SI, no
About the pee being body temp? Probably body temp. Exactly on exit? Don't really care about nitty details, but willing to say it cools rapidly on exit to a point. I'm tempted to buy a thermometer just to prove myself wrong and get answers.

Because "you lose heat to the cool water." "water conduction of heat is superior to air conduction of heat."?

Although water removes heat more efficiently than air, is overheating impossible in water when wearing a heavy wetsuit?

No? Not in 75 degree water?

Bring me to that "aha moment". Go into all kinds of transfer explanations, I think we are past the point of being vague.

Can I ask if you've ever tried a 8mm in 75F waters? What's the thickess suit you've ever worn, and have you ever worn at least a 7mm with 5mm hood? Have you ever worn a custom suit that fits to your body?
Like I said, overheating is not likely to be an issue underwater, but it IS possible given the right suit, conditions, and person.

 

[mjatkins]

Sorry, my last attempt go a little scrambled. Let me try again.

You are real close to an "aha" moment.

Yes, you lose heat to the cool water. Yes, water conduction of heat is superior to air conduction of heat.

Instead of going into all kinds of heat transfer explanations, think about this scenario. Take a nice warm summer day - say 85 degrees in the shade. Put on long underwear, heavy clothes, and a typical winter jacket. Now do push ups, jumping jacks, or another heavy exercise activity. Can the air next to your skin ever get over 98.6? If not, why would you ever be uncomfortable?

Because "you lose heat to the cool water." "water conduction of heat is superior to air conduction of heat."

Although water removes heat more efficiently than air, is overheating impossible in water when wearing a heavy wetsuit?

No? Not in 75 degree water?

Take me to that "aha moment". Go "into all kinds of heat transfer explanations". I think we are past the time for being vague.

 

[g1138]

no worries
see above mjatkins
post #44

 

[mjatkins]

Can I ask if you've ever tried a 8mm in 75F waters? What's the thickess suit you've ever worn, and have you ever worn at least a 7mm with 5mm hood? Have you ever worn a custom suit that fits to your body?
Like I said, overheating is not likely to be an issue underwater, but it IS possible given the right suit, conditions, and person.

No, I have not worn a 7 mil with a 5 mil hood. I have taught in Canada in a 7 mil farmer john and a 7 mil jacket with a 7 mil hood. Then moved on to a dry suit. I now teach in Cozumel where the water is currently 78 degrees, in a 7 mil suit.

Again, anything is possible under "the right conditions". The conditions this thread described were an 8/7 suit in 75 degree water. As someone who hopes to one day be a professional, would you consider that unreasonable? And why?

 

[g1138]

No, I have not worn a 7 mil with a 5 mil hood. I have taught in Canada in a 7 mil farmer john and a 7 mil jacket with a 7 mil hood. Then moved on to a dry suit. I now teach in Cozumel where the water is currently 78 degrees, in a 7 mil suit.

Again, anything is possible under "the right conditions". The conditions this thread described were an 8/7 suit in 75 degree water. As someone who hopes to one day be a professional, would you consider that unreasonable? And why?

Ok, I can understand how you don't consider it an issue.

Here's my thought:
If the OP's suit were custom fitted and didn't allow water flow out, but allowed a little in and kept it there. And if the OP were to swim heavy(strenuous) on the surface for some reason. And if said OP had a 5mm (or greater) hood that was also tucked into his wetsuit. During a sunny day, I believe he could overheat on his surface swim. Or get to the point of being exhausted and uncomfortable.

But to overheat under the water I would say no, I find it next to impossible to overheat under the water. Maybe IN the water(surface) but NOT under it.
Sorry, I guess I was a little politically incorrect in defining between the two.

But my honest opinion, concerning the OP, is that overheating is more of an issue during the SI than in the water.

Edit: I'll also clarify that if the suit fits like a glove it may as well be considered custom fitted.

 

[mjatkins]

Ok, I can understand how you don't consider it an issue now.

Here's my thought:
If the OP's suit were custom fitted and didn't allow water flow out, but allowed a little in and kept it there. And if the OP were to swim heavy(strenuous) on the surface for some reason. And if said OP had a 5mm (or greater) hood that was also tucked into his wetsuit. During a sunny day, I believe he could overheat on his surface swim. Or get to the point of being exhausted and uncomfortable.

I see your point. However, let's look at what the original poster asked again.

"I know this may sound like a ridiculous question but I am new to diving and wanted to get some input.

I am recently certified and the environment I dive in ranges between 40 and 65 degrees. I selected the Aqualung solafx 8/7 full suit for this environment.

I will be going on vacation where the average water temperature is 75.

I only own the one wet suit and though I could rent one while at the resort, I prefer to use my own if possible. Will diving in the warmer temperatures be completely too warm while in the water, rendering the suit unbearable to the point of being unusable?"

Is there anything about this question that suggests he is wearing a custom suit? A new diver with a custom suit? He's wearing "the Aqualung solafx 8/7 full suit".

Will his "Aqualung solafx 8/7 full suit" be rendered "unbearable to the point of being unusable?"

 

[mjatkins]

Anyway, thanks for the debate. Got to go to sleep now. Students in the morning. Talk to you again soon.