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menemsha43

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I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way - I'm certainly not God's gift to scuba diving- but I recently came across something that is troubling.

I returned from a liveaboard trip late last year. One of the other guests was a new instructor. Having observed him in the water, I shudder to think that someone actually passed him through the course and gave him an instructor license. I do not know which agency. There were three key red flags: 1) rate of air consumption, 2) buoyancy skills, 3) a comment he made about Nitrox.

Most dives had very reasonable profiles - perhaps starting at 50 - 70 feet and ending shallow at 20 - 30 feet for the last 20 - 30 minutes or more of the dive. Most divers were in the water for no less than 55 minutes and in many cases at least 60 - 65 minutes. This guy was 35 - 40 minutes and up, nearly every dive. (And it was always an air issue with him, we were in 83/84 degree water with 3mm suits so no one was cold). He even complained that "these dives are designed for Nitrox" - which demonstrated the fact that he has no idea what Nitrox is/does. Another guest and I delicately explained that Nitrox doesn't actually provide for more breathing gas in your tank - we were all being filled to the 2,750 - 2,900 psi range for each dive. In the water he wasn't horrific but he was clearly one of those fidgety divers - kinda of like doing the doggy paddle constantly as if the buoyancy was off a bit. He was the dude who was always careening into you - you all know what I'm talking about.

I don't necessarily fault him personally for being a mediocre diver (whatever that means) but I call into question those who green lighted him through an instructor course. I know the bar can't be that low. I have personally had fantastic instructors - people who I would be very comfortable with in any emergency situation. I wouldn't want to even buddy up with this particular guy. I'm not quite sure what the point of this post is - I guess I hope this type of situation isn't widespread and was curious what others might have to say about it. Maybe my question is this - can divers who clearly have air consumption and buoyancy issues get their instructor licenses? Thanks
 
menemsha43:
... One of the other guests was a new instructor. ... I do not know which agency. ...
Hmmm... if you don't know which agency then I assume you didnt' see his instructor ticket. The world is full of "wannabes." Perhaps you found one.
Rick
 
Rick Murchison:
Hmmm... if you don't know which agency then I assume you didnt' see his instructor ticket. The world is full of "wannabes." Perhaps you found one.
Rick

Lol - For the sake of any potential student, I sure hope so.
 
Instructor? In what?

From some of the reading I have done here on S/B I take it that this happens. Not all instructors live up to our expectations.

I am curious where he taught and why he was given an instructor rating. As Rick said, maybe he really wasn’t an instructor.
 
When a fellow diver says that he/she is an instructor, ASK him/her from which agency certified, and which specialties? Always ask, as a matter of conversation at the least. Also, never take direct instruction from any person, or instructor, that you haven't directly ASKED for...
 
You must have dove with the same guy a buddy of mine went diving with in Hawaii last Christmas......and that guy used up a tank in 20 minutes! These guys are not certified instructors.

I did have an instructor tell me he did a nitrox dive to 215! This guy was unaware of my credentials!

Ron
 
While it is entirely possible that this guy was all talk, there are a lot of bad instructors out there too. I have met instructors from multiple agencies that I wouldn't trust to teach my goldfish to dive. Just as we have all seen divers that we can't believe ever got an instructor to sign off on them, there are a number of instructors that we can't believe got an IT or CD to sign off on them either. When you encounter one of these terrible instructors, about the only thing you can do is find out the agency and report them to the agency. Some agencies will do something, others won't, but there is really nothing else you can do.

Polly
 
Ron Brandt:
You must have dove with the same guy a buddy of mine went diving with in Hawaii last Christmas......and that guy used up a tank in 20 minutes! These guys are not certified instructors.

I did have an instructor tell me he did a nitrox dive to 215! This guy was unaware of my credentials!

Ron

It's funny what people will say to you not not knowing #1 whether you dive or not or #2 how skilled or knowlegable you are about it.

A guy I work with swears that he used to dive and asked me if I typically use 60lbs of weight to dive with?? :D :D


Yeah, he's a diver alright!!! lol ;)
 
Buoyancy skills and trim are alas, not evaluated in an IDC or IE to any real extent. Most of the time you are negatively buoyant to perform your demonstartion skills.

Air consumption is, in that environment of evaluation, also a non-issue.

I'm not saying that this is good or the way it ought to be, just that it is indeed possible.

That was the bulk of the question that I saw in your post. Good observations.
 
I was going to say the same thing as Rick. The guy sounds like he's barely out of the basic course. Maybe he just lied to make himself seem all important.
 

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