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pcarlson1911:
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I'm not worried about the temperatures, but my wife is a freeze baby, so this will be interesting.
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My wife and I started diving in the Caribean. She doesn't like the cold either. Just diving on vacation would never be enough for me!! When we started getting geared up for Great Lakes diving, I bought myself a used drysuit on e-bay for $300. I figured it would hold me over 'til I could get the one I wanted. It did. I sold it on e-bay for what I paid for it when I bought my new one. I bought her a brand new DUI. I knew that If she was warm and comfy, I would get to dive a lot more!! :D

I'm not suggesting e-bay, I'm suggesting making sure she's warm. But!! If you go the e-bay route be careful, I was lucky. The suit fit me perfectly and didn't need any work at all.
 
This forum is awesome!

My wife and I spent a couple of hours at another lds today. Got some new things to think about.

One intrigued me for a bit and ties into your comment about keeping my buddy warm. Dive shop ownre suggested me getting a two piece 5mm for Great lakes diving, her a two piece 7mm. This would put our temp tolerance closer together.

I want herto be warm, but a 7mm costs no more than a 5mm. So, I guess this doesn't make much sense. She gets cold dive over no matter how I feel. I want this to be fun for us.

As far as gear goes, I haven't read the rules (I'll take a 5 minute time out after this post.) But if someone has used gear for sale, I'm interested in talking. PM me, email me, stop by for dinner.....

I booked discovery for two dives today, so I would like to be fullygeared up by May 3rd.
 
Diverbrian- Tell me more about Superior. I hope to be "advanced" by the time we get there. But tell me your definition of advanced.

As far as the great lakes being treacherous, that is a real concerne to me. The fact that there are thousands of wrecks that I want to dive is a bit unnerving, since a new wreck can be added at anytime.

Another experienced boater or two on board is a definite. I have been rockclimbing since I was 14 and learned the idea of redundency, and I have an understanding of the thinking process of surviving in enviroments where you aren't supposed to be. I just need folks like you to help me grasp the content ofthat process. Thanks!
 
Can't resist to make a comment

Didn't Brian's collection of regs and other gear start with a Mares that he just had to get right away before testing out some of the other ones?!?

:-) (Mind you I haven't met him yet, but couldn't resist...)

Paul- - what reg did the other LDS suggest you buy?!?


On your "used gear" question. I dunno... I've bought some used, but tend to find that it "worries" me and its then been replaced or planned to be replaced. Similar to Tavi I bought my drysuit off of Ebay and though it was a great price, I could have easily waisted money on it... It did have a couple small leaks which I was able to patch, but if there was a tear in any of the seals and/or if the seals were dryrotted then the additional cost would have started racking up. So I too would side on the "I'm not suggesting a drysuit from ebay", but even with that I still look for potential replacements. Used regulators. Touchy subject in my humble (and not knowing much) opinion. Its certainly one of the key pieces of equipment that has to work without a doubt. Since you are a rock climber- - I'd equate it to carabiners & active pro... would you buy used carabiners? Me I did buy one set off of ebay, but its also the set that I wound up replacing with new and am sending to a shop to be overhauled just to be sure. I was in a hurry though and felt that I just needed to be set up by a certain date and the price was right at the time... I now have another set, and with the "overhaul" cost I probably could have bought new...

On the wetsuit(s). Very nice idea from Tavi on making your buddy warm! There are a few websites out there that give some good "low down" on wet suits. In general and quickly typing some of what I found: Good seals at the neck, wrists, legs etc make for a warmer suit. Some suits use a "skin" that has sealing rings around the wrists and/or the "semi dry" suits really do a nice job using similar techniques. Short of it is they attempt to minimize the water flow in and out of the suit. So a really high quality and well fitting suit is something to focus on just as much as the "thickness". I personally like my hooded vest and/or hood for just about everything and that seems to really nock the edge off of the cold (vest for wet, hood for dry), it seems to build yet another layer that the water has to "seep around" before hitting skin. And now for the "down side" to neoprene. You can go to thicker layers and thicker suits but they add to "dynamic instability". Which is that their bouyancy changes as your depth does. So at the surface they are very boyant but then as you go deeper they start to compress and thus less bouyant. I was "floored" when I switched from a 3mm farmer john to a 7mm 1 piece. Had to add close to 8 pounds of weight to get down, but once I hit 10-15' I then started to "plummet" (controllable, just had to be ready to add air to the bc quickly), then down around 50' or so felt like there was little insulation and where the dive computer was nice and tight on the wrist, it was loose and flayling around (probably come off except for gloves), Coming back up once back to about 15' the 7mm wants to go to the top. Its all controllable and workable, but you have to be ready for it. At first I thought it was just me, but over time I've heard similar stories from others... I know there is a shop in Akron that rents dry suits, I suspect there is probably one in Cleveland as well, that might make for a nice "middle ground" as you are working through everything.

See you in April?!?

ok I think I'm done rambling- - hope I haven't confused things further and/or said anything that is completely off base...


Dave



Ber Rabbit:
You know where I got the first one ;) The second was more than $200 cheaper so I had to buy it even though I don't need it---yet.

Hey Paul, Brian's comment about carrying extra regs for sampling is an understatement of monstrous proportion. It's more like he carries a dive shop with him and if he knows someone might need gear he brings a whole warehouse ;) He's a really handy buddy to have and now he's planning on getting a vehicle that's bigger than a Mustang--the local shops are going to drool when they see his inventory LOL!
Meet-n-greet is a great place to get to try different equipment, just let the Wrecking Crew know what we need to bring along :D
Ber :lilbunny:
 
I bought a used Scubapro MK10 out of a shop's rental string and dove it for 10 years before replacing it. That might be another option, I'm not sure when they upgrade to the "latest and greatest" in rental gear but they do occasionally sell their stuff.
Ber :lilbunny:
 
I've bought tanks used, but I'm pretty set on buying regs new.

At the lds I was being swayed to the apeks with the environmental seal.

If I understand correctly, I can add the seal to the abyss for another $60?

I am worried about the bouyancy issues with the 7mm suits. My wife can have a tough time holding a 15' safety stop the 7mm will be tougher.

If we were at 50' I'm thinking ascend to 30 feet slowly, stop and dump all air from the bcd, then ascend slowly to 15'. I don't want her to run away on me. I'm thinking we should be slightly overweighted as well.
 
You should be weighted to be neutrally buoyant at 15 feet with 500psi in your tank. Personally when I know I'm going to ascend I dump my bc and swim up at the pace I want to keep dumping again if needed. That way the only thing I have to mess with is the drysuit if I'm wearing that and if there is an emergency when I'm wearing a wetsuit I only have to worry about the victim's bc. A 7mm suit is going to take more lead than a 5mm, I dive a 1/4 inch suit am 5'7" and weigh 125. I wear 14-16lbs with the 1/4" wetsuit and 28lbs with my drysuit. If she can't hold a safety stop add two pounds and see if that helps, add two pounds at a time until she can hold it with 500psi in the tank.

If you like the Apeks with the environmental seal the Dive Rite G2500Ice is very similar and less expensive. I was going to get an Apeks because I had bought my husband one a couple of years ago and I like it but the price had jumped since then and I couldn't justify the cost. A friend turned me on to the Dive Rite, allowing me to borrow his for a dive to 135' and I loved the way it breathed and it cost less than the Apeks. I got mine from here, I asked that the tax be waived since it was being shipped out of state and we can just pay the Ohio tax on our income taxes. I bought another one from here, PhilEllis is on the board and he had them on sale so I got a really good price (better than the other shop but it was on sale). You might contact them too and mention you're on scubaboard.
Ber :lilbunny:
 
pcarlson1911:
I've bought tanks used, but I'm pretty set on buying regs new.

At the lds I was being swayed to the apeks with the environmental seal.

If I understand correctly, I can add the seal to the abyss for another $60?

I am worried about the bouyancy issues with the 7mm suits. My wife can have a tough time holding a 15' safety stop the 7mm will be tougher.

If we were at 50' I'm thinking ascend to 30 feet slowly, stop and dump all air from the bcd, then ascend slowly to 15'. I don't want her to run away on me. I'm thinking we should be slightly overweighted as well.

Apeks... I'd ohhh and ahhh that, but then I don't have much to compare them too (except for the apples oranges of m initial sherwood). Really and truely if someone were offering to let me try out some different configurations then I'd simply plan on doing whatever it took to take them up on that offer... Try them out, talk about them all, research them all and then in a fit of frustration and confusion buy them all... or at least something like that. :11doh:

I mentioned the 7mm bouyancy thing not to "panic" you, but to at least share some of what I found... It was and is manageable, but it was different than the farmer. Just takes some getting used to.

Are you having any thoughts about going to doubles and/or tech? That might change your focus considerably and help narrow the suggestions down (though really I think everyone did note-- a few times- - practice, and try different things). Anyone mention din vs yoke fittings to you while you have been out and about? This might be a whole new can of worms though...
 
caverdave:
Can't resist to make a comment

Didn't Brian's collection of regs and other gear start with a Mares that he just had to get right away before testing out some of the other ones?!?

:-) (Mind you I haven't met him yet, but couldn't resist...)



Dave

Actually, I got an Atomic Z1 right away and haven't touched the blasted thing for a couple of years (although I have loaned it out on occassion). I have my preferences for what I dive. My shop (and I am a Dive Control Specialist for Seaquatics which Ber linked to) doesn't deal with Mares gear, but I have nothing against that brand. I just dive what I can get locally serviced. I have a couple of DiveRite's, but I normally dive a reg that I like a little bit more for my doubles.

I'll catch up with you all later. It is getting to be that time (I owe, I owe, so back to work I go....)
 
That is one of the reasons I'm looking at the Mares. The shop that I have easy acess to carreis and suggests Mares. In addition, the setup makes sense for what I want to do, cold water wrecks. Third, the price is right on a 2005 Abyss.

A sherwood Maximus would be next on the list.

I am willing to try anything, but I also am starting to have a pretty good idea of what I need and there is no point testing something that doesn't fit the parameters of price, local service, and cold water.

Time is the other issue, I'm ready to start diving on our first charter may 3, that is plenty of time to test, but I would hate to no longer have the 299 abyss option!
pc
 

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