I tasted the Kool Aide and it didnt agree with me

[Thalassamania]

I don't think that's what he's doing at all. I think it's a matter of appropriateness.

Would one think of going into a local police station and proclaiming that "cops suck"?

Would someone stage a peace protest on a local USMC base?

Would someone walk into a Baptist church, spread a prayer mat toward Mecca and loudly proclaim "Allah is great"?

Would it be judgmental for the folks that were intended to be in those places to take exception if they did?

The rules of this forum are clear. Coming here to discuss deep air dives, solo dives, or penetration dives on small single cylinders is inappropriate ... not because people shouldn't do those things (I wouldn't do them, but if you want to, go nuts) ... but because it violates the purpose of this forum.

It's not a matter of judgment ... it's a matter of respect ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

I'll buy that, (not the religion part, I'm with Sam Harris there). That's not what I think Jason was selling ... but now that I remember what forum we're in, I'll bow to your concept and let it drop.

 

[Cacia]

The rules of this forum are clear. Coming here to discuss deep air dives, solo dives, or penetration dives on small single cylinders is inappropriate ... not because people shouldn't do those things (I wouldn't do them, but if you want to, go nuts) ... but because it violates the purpose of this forum.

I never brought up the drinking, he did. I guess I can't make my point or defend myself? And I did not say DIR sucks, for the record.

And, NO--the rules are NOT that clear which is why this happens over and over.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

I never brought up the drinking, he did. I guess I can't make my point or defend myself? And I did not say DIR sucks, for the record.

I wasn't referring to that ... I was referring to discussion of the perceived advantages of doing deep, solo, penetration dives on a single AL80.

And, NO--the rules are NOT that clear which is why this happens over and over.

Actually, in this case, it is ... from the first post in this forum ...

6) The answers in this forum are member's best attempts to answer questions within, and according the DIR diving philosophy. If you wish to give a non-DIR answer, please do not post it in this forum. If you do not wish your question to be limited to DIR answer, please ask it in another applicable forum.

Discussion of deep, penetration dives on a single AL80 ... regardless of how you justify it ... is not an answer within and according to the DIR diving philosophy. In fact, it's about as far from DIR as one can possibly get ... and therefore does not belong in this forum.

That makes no judgment as to the appropriateness of your approach to diving ... but it DOES make one as to the appropriateness of discussing it here ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Jason B]

Drinking had nothing at all to do with it.

 

[rainman_02]

And, NO--the rules are NOT that clear which is why this happens over and over.

Right at the top of every page in this forum:

"Please do not answer questions with non-DIR answers."



If deep air, penetration on an AL80, or solo are non-DIR and you understand this, then how are the rules too vague for you?

 

[mrjimboalaska]

Yet nobody really harps on the really big guy in doubles. ..

what ya tryin' to say C............

 

[Blox]

Right at the top of every page in this forum:

"Please do not answer questions with non-DIR answers."



If deep air, penetration on an AL80, or solo are non-DIR and you understand this, then how are the rules too vague for you?

"Please do not answer questions with non-DIR answers" merely ensures (or is at least supposed to ensure), that questions are answered with DIR-compliant answers. It does not, IMHO, preclude people from asking questions about things that may not be DIR at all. In such case the answer would have to be "This is not DIR-compliant in any way".

 

[Blox]

what ya tryin' to say C............

IMHO Catherine was trying to say that while some people may bash other people for doing "deep dives" on a single AL80 (although that may be more than enough gas for that particular person to do the dive from a gas planning perspective), nobody seems to bash others, who attempt the same dive diving double 80's - although their air consumption may be twice as high as the first person's.
Technically, from a gas volume perspective, both have the same redundancy in terms of gas volume in comparison to consumption (ignoring gear redundancy, which obviously the AL80 diver with single tank wouldn't have, and would need to address by e.g. carrying a pony bottle for only that purpose). Both would have planned their gas with the same safety margins, and yet, people are more likely to bash on the AL80 diver, because she/he's diving a single, while mentioning "doubles" very often seem to indicate to many people that such diver would have taken better care of gas reserves -- and that's simply not automatically true.
As somebody pointed out, it's all about bringing the right amount of gas for the planned dive. The answer to "what is the right amount of gas?" depends not only on the dive to be carried out, but also on the individual diver and what his/her RMV is. Only carrying doubles does not warrant an automatic "pass", while only carrying a single AL80 does not necessarily/automatically warrant a "fail".

 

[ShakaZulu]

Woohoo, drama in the DIR forum...what is new

 

[Bismark]

Blox,

I think you might be forgetting something else about using doubles. One hint, reach back over your head and grab the little knob thingy........