How would you set up an open water course.

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If you were given the opportunity to design an open water course where time and money were no object and also gear used had no perameters or restrictions, how would you do it? What would you include or exclude.
This is all hypothetical so have fun with it. Remember, no course length restraints, no gear restraints, and no cost restraints. This is an ideal world scenario.

Anybody who wants, please comment as to what you think would be the ideal open water course to fully prepare divers for the real world.

I'd teach the dive tables, gas laws, gas planning, situational awareness, the "stress" part of Stress & Rescue, buoyancy and trim, and say "Don't forget to breathe."

Anybody who could reliably work all the gas laws and the dive tables, maintain neutral buoyancy underwater and prove that they understood that that it's entirely possible to die and that it's important to keep breathing, would get an OW card.

flots.
 
This is a type of course that college students get - one semester long; example:

basicf00
I know Peter well, we part company concerning the use of NAUI materials, and we use full gear (suits, mitts, etc.) from day one.
 
If I was to set up a course this is a loose rendition of how it would go.

First, I would probably try and figure out a way to do the entire class out in the ocean. The students would never set foot in a pool. The only problem this would present is demontrating swimming skills, but I've thought a lot about this and am thinking about ways to demonstrate water comfort, stamina, and the ability to swim without having to find an artificial environment such as a heavily chlorinated public pool. Pools are very hard to come by in my area as many of them have shut down and also insurance costs have skyrocketed.
I know I said money is no object so why not just put in my own pool? Well, that would be a possibility, but I have this idea to do their entire course in the place they will be diving, and not have them get used to 85 degree clear water then take them into 48 degree murky dark water.

The course would start with complete breath hold freediving instruction and all the associated skills with that. This would introduce students to the ocean right off. The students would be required to build themselves up to doing a 30foot freedive and bringing something up from the bottom to prove themselves. I could see at least 20 to 30 hours of inwater time on average. Students would start right off with full gear to dive in 48 degree water in my local area. I can't think of a better way to build confidence that have them first get wet in the environment they will be eventually be diving in. Class portions would include info on sea conditions and management, currents, beach entries, water acclimation, fin kicking, snorelling skills, etc. This would also include towing other divers around for exercise.
And to do something about the swimming part, obviously putting somebody in a swimsuit and telling them to go out and swim 200 yards in 48 degree water is nonsense, so I thought of having the students pair up and go out about 200 yards out and each of them take turns swimming in in full wetsuits with no mask, snorkel or fins, only under their own swimming power. This is hard to do if you've ever tried it, and exhausting.
The tread water, I haven't figured that one out yet. Maybe weight them so they have to tread to stay up, or eliminate it altogether and figure it's irrelevant for the environment they'll be diving in with full exposure protection.

Next, a very detailed and hands on workshop on buoyancy combined with the first intro with scuba gear. No BC would be allowed at this stage, only exact weighting to be able to go to a depth of 30 feet and be perfectly neutral. They would already know what weight they need to freedive and be neutral at 30 feet so a little math with the addition of the tank and reg and they will understand it.
After they fully understand no BC diving then they get to use a BC and can fully appreciate how it is SUPPOSED to be used and not as a crutch for bad weighting habits. Along with all this water work some harrassment could be included to those that request it to prime themselves to dive in more hostile environments like sea lion rockeries. Sea lions are famous for side swiping divers from behind and dislodging masks and knocking the wind out of you. Giant Pacific Octopuss can get very curious and take things from you, more like muscle them away. Some divers may want mild harrassment training to learn to deal with these things, but harrassment would not be mandatory.

In all this, gas laws, deco theory, full rescue skills including CPR would be taught. I would not include any nitrox in open water, they can get that later if they want. They would have a full gammut of gear to choose from. All gear and it's pitfalls or advantages would be explained and multiple sets of everything would be there for them to use and they would be free to try it all. This would include split fins, poodle jackets, BP/W, long hoses, jet fins, everything.
The only thing not there would be spare airs.

A sport diver certification would include;
Full skin dive/freedive training.
Basic open water/peak bouyancy training
Advanced open water
Rescue

And other stuff like:
Gear exchange
Full ascent with no mask while buddy breathing
Ditch and don at 30 feet
And the video thing all the way through is a really good idea.

If they did all this then they would be ready for anything. There would be no time limit. Students that have trouble at any stage could retake any portion until they were comfortable.
I'm thinking of having it as a diving institute, not like how they puke out classes at a dive shop with the no child left behind mentality. At this institute, there would be many instructors and mentors to help students go along at their own pace.
One thing, I never said it would be cheap.
 
I know Peter well, we part company concerning the use of NAUI materials, and we use full gear (suits, mitts, etc.) from day one.

As you know, the use of NAUI materials are standard in American university academic diving programs because of the good work done by people like you. ;) I went through the Texas State program from beginner to Instructor - took three semesters and one summer, well worth it.
 
I'd teach the dive tables, gas laws, gas planning, situational awareness, the "stress" part of Stress & Rescue, buoyancy and trim, and say "Don't forget to breathe."

Anybody who could reliably work all the gas laws and the dive tables, maintain neutral buoyancy underwater and prove that they understood that that it's entirely possible to die and that it's important to keep breathing, would get an OW card.

flots.

I disagree in regards to the gas laws... some people i know who certainly have the mental capacity to dive are just maths illiterate. so they struggled through the dive tables, but now dive with a computer and at least know how to use it. they're sensible and if doing multiple

it's like telling students to use slide rulers or their heads instead of calculators. Sure you can, but as long as the student understands the logic behind what the calculator does (and 98-100% of students who complete high school won't understand the laws behind sin, cos and tan, the most basic of functions...) then they should be just using them and getting on with it. the same applies to diving... have an appreciation for where the theory comes from, then use standard technology that exists.

if the student is interested, they can go away and explore on their own or with the assistance of their trainer. if not, it doesn't deminish the safety of the diver.
 
There are many different things that I would want to set as standards in my open water course. Get rid of the AOW course and include that 'key' aspects of that within the OW training. Too many to list here, but some examples are:

1. Absolute minimum of 10 OW dives, but ideally 15-20. Absolute minimum 8 hours logged underwater (not including pool/confined training), but ideally 12+.

2. Student must satisfactorily plan and lead 2 open water dives (supervised only, with no instuctor intervention) in order to qualify.

3. DSMB deployment and emergency decompression taught to, and demonstrated by, student.

4. Rescue and self-rescue skills taught to, and demonstrated by, student.

5. Dive planning skills, including gas consumption, end/turn points, risk assessment and all appropriate contingency and emergency plans.

6. Nitrox theory and 2x dives, inclusive in the course.

7. Standards to demonstrate horizontal ascent with flat trim and the ability to arrest ascent whenever indicated by instructor, along with horizontal trim bouyancy (+/- 50cm) for 3 min safety stop with no visual reference.

8. Demonstration of awareness of depth/time/gas throughout the dive, plus 'tactical' awareness of buddy/team, location and environment factors during conduct of the dives.

9. Panic factor acclimatization exercises - OOA, low viz, exertion, narcosis, current and task loading.

10. Higher level of theoretical knowledge, especially regards DCI.
 
As you know, the use of NAUI materials are standard in American university academic diving programs because of the good work done by people like you. ;) I went through the Texas State program from beginner to Instructor - took three semesters and one summer, well worth it.
I am owed some of the praise and some of the blame for the existence of such materials but they were never intended for a semester long university credit course, they were written at an 8th grade level and targeted at participants in a 40 hour recreational diving course. I strongly feel the university programs should be using the NOAA Manual or the International Code of Practice for Scientific Diving, even in their recreational diving courses.

BTW, NAUI material ARE NOT standard in American university academic diving programs, they are simply the highest level available from any of the training agencies.

It is time well spent, please look me up if you're ever on the Big Island.
 
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The course would start with complete breath hold freediving instruction and all the associated skills with that. This would introduce students to the ocean right off. The students would be required to build themselves up to doing a 30foot freedive and bringing something up from the bottom to prove themselves. <snip>.

Apologies in advance if this is a stupid question as I know very little about freediving...

What about people who have ear clearing issues (such as myself)? I just couldn't see myself being able to get down and up from 30' on one breath as it takes me quite a while to clear my ear. I doubt my right ear could ever tolerate such activity.
 
It can be taught, it really isn't hard, I've yet to have a problem with the 30 foot free dive that was not easily solved.
 
Since YMCA is out of the undergraduate academic diving business, NAUI materials are the most used. I do understand your reservations, but Peter Oliver (the lead editor on the 2000 update of the NAUI Master Diver Course manual) includes other diving suppliments as did my instructor (Ron Dibble, NAUI CD). We used the NOAA Diving Manual, Navy Diving Manual, and a variety of deco/gas books.

Outside of academic credit programs, I do like the NAUI approach - at the least we can develope a beginner diving program tailored to a specific diver or to a specific diving locale that "exceeds" standards.

I have asked many of my students to bundle the NAUI Skin Diver course with the Scuba Diver course. And, I am fully aware that 5 open water checkout dives are too few; so I ask each student to make an additional 2 dives prior to certification (I have yet to be told "no"). At the minimum, I spread out 20 hours of classroom instruction, 12 hours of pool work (with CPR/First Aid), over two weeks and we dive on three weekends.

A work in progress...
 

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