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That's the one I saw. I assume these are very old photos.
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That's the one I saw. I assume these are very old photos.
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First, thanks to all for the quick responses. Reassuring to know the mind isn't completely gone.
Second, Kennedy announced the naval blockade 10/22/62; something like 180 vessels showed up for that party, coming from the various naval bases throughout the area. The blockade represented the US counter to Kruschev's gambit to install nukes on Cuba.
Prior to that, however, was the Bay of Pigs, April 17, 1961, a true debacle in all regards. 1300 or so fine CIA-trained Cuban exile insurgents, based in Guatemala, attacked Cuba and were almost immediately decimated, with about 10 percent of the force killed and the rest captured. Cuba sank supply ships, and bagged more than a few planes, one of which, the wreckage of a CIA bomber, is now proudly displayed in Havana's Museum of the Revolution.
A ridiculous deniability effort ensued, complete with US ambassador to the UN Adlai Stevenson spewing the CIA cover story before the UN; apparently, nobody bothered to let him in on the scam. The ship I was inquiring about had been represented to me as one of the Bay of Pigs support elements, and, other than the bomber, the most absurd repudiation of the American cover-up. Doesn't look like to be the case. Or is there still more covering-up going on?
Third, checked out the pics. How big would that ship be? What I remember seeing was huge.
And Andy, a lawyer at a loss for words? Now there's a plausible deniability challenge.....
Thanks, all.
mao
Second, Kennedy announced the naval blockade 10/22/62; something like 180 vessels showed up for that party, coming from the various naval bases throughout the area. The blockade represented the US counter to Kruschev's gambit to install nukes on Cuba.
Prior to that, however, was the Bay of Pigs, April 17, 1961, a true debacle in all regards. 1300 or so fine CIA-trained Cuban exile insurgents, based in Guatemala, attacked Cuba and were almost immediately decimated, with about 10 percent of the force killed and the rest captured. Cuba sank supply ships, and bagged more than a few planes, one of which, the wreckage of a CIA bomber, is now proudly displayed in Havana's Museum of the Revolution.
A ridiculous deniability effort ensued, complete with US ambassador to the UN Adlai Stevenson spewing the CIA cover story before the UN; apparently, nobody bothered to let him in on the scam. The ship I was inquiring about had been represented to me as one of the Bay of Pigs support elements, and, other than the bomber, the most absurd repudiation of the American cover-up. Doesn't look like to be the case. Or is there still more covering-up going on?
Third, checked out the pics. How big would that ship be? What I remember seeing was huge.
And Andy, a lawyer at a loss for words? Now there's a plausible deniability challenge.....
Thanks, all.
mao
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maotsewhat foamed-up in a conspiratorial lather::
About 300' give or take. This wouldn't include the secret hopticopter platform, submarine bay, 16" guns, phase array EMR pulse weapons, torpedo tubes or other undisclosed locations.
Remember: the NSA is watching. :05: Or maybe they're listennig. It's hard to tell, these days!
Maotsaywhat? Nice first and second post. Let me welcome you to FubaScored before :fork: anyone else does. Did Lee Crane shoot that Ferrari pic of you there on the East End Cay, man?
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maotsewhat:
hmm... what's the word i'm trying to think of here?? let's see...
no... that's not it.... nor that one... no....
aha!
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Here ye go... sorry mao, no politics with this wreck 
Shipwreck: Ridgefield
By Skip Gillham, Vineland, Ontario, Canada
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The Ridgefield was one of approximately 2,700 Liberty ships that were built in the United States during World War Two. These vessels were a standard design and construction and provided outstanding service all over the world. They delivered war supplies to the troops and then helped rebuild countries devastated by years of fighting.
The Liberty ships shared dimensions of 441 feet, 6 inches, in length and had the ability to carry 10,000 tons of cargo. They were steam powered and each had a 2,500 horsepower triple expansion engine.
What became the Ridgefield was built by the New England Shipbuilding Corporation of Portland, Maine. It was completed in February 1945, as James A. Butts and was initially managed for the United States Maritime Commission by the Calmar Steamship Corp. Beginning in 1946 States Marine Corp. took over management and, a year later, they purchased the ship.
The name was changed to Lonestar State in 1947, Lone Star State in 1951, Anniston in 1955 for the Ace Steamship Corporation and Caldwell for Caldwell Transportation in 1957.
After twelve years under American registry, the vessel was sold to the Ridgefield Navigation Company Limited later in 1957 and registered in Liberia as Ridgefield. The ship worked as a tramp steamer and saw service on a variety of saltwater routes.
Prior to 1959 freighters larger than 261 feet in overall length could not enter the Great Lakes via the St. Lawrence due to the small locks between Montreal and Lake Ontario. This was changed with the construction of the St. Lawrence Seaway and over 200 different Liberty ships, including the Ridgefield, came inland to ports such as Duluth, Thunder Bay, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Toronto exchanging cargoes to and from world ports.
Ridgefield had three trips to the Great Lakes in 1961 and another in 1962 before being lost later in the year. The vessel is shown upbound in Lock 4 of the Welland Canal in a photo from the collection of Shipsearch Marine.
Late on December 18, 1962, Ridgefield was traveling in ballast from Maracaibo, Venezuela, for a U.S. Gulf Coast port when it stranded off the east end of Grand Cayman Island. The ship was lodged securely on the rocks and salvage efforts were fruitless. Before long the hull broke in two.
The crew abandoned the Ridgefield and the ship was left to the relentless action of the sea. Waves pounded the hull and it was slowly broken apart. Sections of the old Liberty were still visible in 1981 and likely many years later.
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Rick
Shipwreck: Ridgefield
By Skip Gillham, Vineland, Ontario, Canada
[FONT=arial, helvetica][SIZE=-1]
[/SIZE][/FONT]The Ridgefield was one of approximately 2,700 Liberty ships that were built in the United States during World War Two. These vessels were a standard design and construction and provided outstanding service all over the world. They delivered war supplies to the troops and then helped rebuild countries devastated by years of fighting.
The Liberty ships shared dimensions of 441 feet, 6 inches, in length and had the ability to carry 10,000 tons of cargo. They were steam powered and each had a 2,500 horsepower triple expansion engine.
What became the Ridgefield was built by the New England Shipbuilding Corporation of Portland, Maine. It was completed in February 1945, as James A. Butts and was initially managed for the United States Maritime Commission by the Calmar Steamship Corp. Beginning in 1946 States Marine Corp. took over management and, a year later, they purchased the ship.
The name was changed to Lonestar State in 1947, Lone Star State in 1951, Anniston in 1955 for the Ace Steamship Corporation and Caldwell for Caldwell Transportation in 1957.
After twelve years under American registry, the vessel was sold to the Ridgefield Navigation Company Limited later in 1957 and registered in Liberia as Ridgefield. The ship worked as a tramp steamer and saw service on a variety of saltwater routes.
Prior to 1959 freighters larger than 261 feet in overall length could not enter the Great Lakes via the St. Lawrence due to the small locks between Montreal and Lake Ontario. This was changed with the construction of the St. Lawrence Seaway and over 200 different Liberty ships, including the Ridgefield, came inland to ports such as Duluth, Thunder Bay, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland and Toronto exchanging cargoes to and from world ports.
Ridgefield had three trips to the Great Lakes in 1961 and another in 1962 before being lost later in the year. The vessel is shown upbound in Lock 4 of the Welland Canal in a photo from the collection of Shipsearch Marine.
Late on December 18, 1962, Ridgefield was traveling in ballast from Maracaibo, Venezuela, for a U.S. Gulf Coast port when it stranded off the east end of Grand Cayman Island. The ship was lodged securely on the rocks and salvage efforts were fruitless. Before long the hull broke in two.
The crew abandoned the Ridgefield and the ship was left to the relentless action of the sea. Waves pounded the hull and it was slowly broken apart. Sections of the old Liberty were still visible in 1981 and likely many years later.
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Rick
We've got it identified correctly, it is indeed the wreck of the Ridgefield.
The story continues long after the grounding. The Ridgefield sat, essentially intact, neatly stradling the reef which fringes the East End of Grand Cayman. From her grounding in 1962 until Hurricane Gilbert in 1988, The Ridgefield was a presence in the communtiy. Stories are told of weekend retreats on the wreck, parties which were sometimes a bit discreet.
Hurricane Gilbert in 1988 smashed the wreck, flinging a portion of the bow a couple hunderd yards to the northeast. This is sometimes mistaken for a second wreck. Years of pounding action by the waves has continued to cause further deterioration.
Hurricane Ivan in 2004 caused some more damage, but portions of the wreck still are claerly visible protruding above the water to this day.
The story continues long after the grounding. The Ridgefield sat, essentially intact, neatly stradling the reef which fringes the East End of Grand Cayman. From her grounding in 1962 until Hurricane Gilbert in 1988, The Ridgefield was a presence in the communtiy. Stories are told of weekend retreats on the wreck, parties which were sometimes a bit discreet.
Hurricane Gilbert in 1988 smashed the wreck, flinging a portion of the bow a couple hunderd yards to the northeast. This is sometimes mistaken for a second wreck. Years of pounding action by the waves has continued to cause further deterioration.
Hurricane Ivan in 2004 caused some more damage, but portions of the wreck still are claerly visible protruding above the water to this day.
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Did Lee Crane shoot that Ferrari pic of you there on the East End Cay, man?
No, Roa, but thanks for asking. It was Kowalski. He was cleaning giant squid goo off the observation deck windows of the Seaview (just off camera), and was kind enough to oblige.
And thanks to Mr. Murchison for his detailed post.
And speaking of the Seaview, any Voyage episodes currently on the air?
No, Roa, but thanks for asking. It was Kowalski. He was cleaning giant squid goo off the observation deck windows of the Seaview (just off camera), and was kind enough to oblige.
And thanks to Mr. Murchison for his detailed post.
And speaking of the Seaview, any Voyage episodes currently on the air?
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From the old TV serries, "Journey To See What's on the Bottom"?
Ridgefield question: Was this the ship that appeared in background of the "Nazi zombies emerging from the ocean" scenes in the movie Shock Waves? (I believe so)
http://horrorbrain.ign.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1202&Itemid=0 "We're not just talking zombies, here... we're talking Nazi Submariner Zombies!"
Yep, Ridgefield was the name. Thanks for the history, Rick.
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http://horrorbrain.ign.com/index.php...202&Ite mid=0 "We're not just talking zombies, here... we're talking Nazi Submariner Zombies!"
I think this is the current cast of "O."
I think this is the current cast of "O."
