How do you feel about solo diving?

How do you feel about solo diving?

  • Never done it, never want to.

    Votes: 57 19.1%
  • Haven't done it, but thought about it.

    Votes: 81 27.2%
  • I've done it, but prolly never again.

    Votes: 25 8.4%
  • I do it all the time!

    Votes: 135 45.3%

  • Total voters
    298

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I don't have a link but it is SDI's web site and they do have an outline of sorts.

A while back Rodales did a series of articles with titles like the dangers of the buddy system. They talked about everything from the legal liability of a buddy to how you could get injured being paired up with a bad buddy on a dive boat and how a buddy could ruin your photo session. Shortly after the articles started SDI anounced the solo diver course. Imagin that. Now there are signs up at dive site for pony bottle rental for solo divers. Lately I have had several divers inquire about this class. The scary thing is they are new divers being sold what IMO is a dangerous line of crap. One guy was concidering the class because he broke up with his GF of she decided not to dive or something.

As I have said many times as far as I am concerned there is only one reason to solo dive and that is because you want to.

The fix for a bad buddy is to get a good one. If there aren't enough good ones that might be due to the overall state of dive training. No DM is going to pair me up with anyone I don't want to dive with but i don't get in situations like that.
 
Genesis once bubbled...
I don't see any from perusing the curriculum....

Looks pretty reasonable to me, including the pre-reqs.

Of course they don't perus in the curriculum they have already sold you. the purusing is done in some magazines and dive shops to sell this slop.

Notice how they allow manifolded or independant doubles as redundancy. The instructors I know who teach this have never worn a set of doubles. I'm sure they will do a great job of teaching valve manipulation being that they have never done it and all.

How can they have instructors for a program like this who are not qualified to use the equipment they are authorized to teach?

But it sounds reasonable to you guys...
 
Lately I have had several divers inquire about this class. The scary thing is they are new divers being sold what IMO is a dangerous line of crap.

The requirements for the SDI class clearly state that you must have AOW or equivalent and 100 logged dives.

Not "new divers" by any stretch of the imagination.

Personal prejudice once again rears its head.
 
MikeFerrara once bubbled...
A while back Rodales did a series of articles with titles like the dangers of the buddy system. They talked about everything from the legal liability of a buddy to how you could get injured being paired up with a bad buddy on a dive boat and how a buddy could ruin your photo session.

From the articles:

Is diving solo more dangerous than diving with a buddy?

"Absolutely yes," is the official answer you'll get from every
certification agency as well as from most instructors, at least when they
are talking from their lecterns. "Absolutely not," say many solo divers,
pointing out that they avoid the risk of a da ngerous buddy.

Some enthusiasts think solo diving is nearly always safer. Are they right?
Here are points they make: Solo diving fosters self-reliance, not
co-dependence. Groups have a leader and followers, and the instinct to
follow is especially strong when we feel threatened and unsure of
ourselves. Buddy pairs are, too often, two followers with no leader.

Solo diving makes it easier to back out of a dangerous dive. Solo divers
don't feel peer pressure to attempt more than they should. When buddies
are unequal, the stronger diver tends to lead and set the pace, often to
the other's endangerment.

No risk from a panicky, dangerous buddy. This risk is overstated, but
being a buddy does entail the responsibility to attempt rescue, perhaps at
danger to yourself.

A solo diver's attention is concentrated on his or her own dive, not
divided. Solo diving makes for clearer decision-making. It's easier to
change your plan mid-dive to match changing conditions, for example.

Diving the plan that's best for you. Buddy dive plans are often a
compromise, leaving one buddy unsatisfied and the other overextended.

Statistics don't answer the question either. The five most recent DAN
reports describe 474 dive fatalities from 1992 through 1996, 62 of them
(13 percent) involving solo divers. But is that percentage high or low? No
one knows what percentage of dives are
solo, or even how many dives are made each year.

In about two-thirds of the fatal buddy dives, the casualty became
separated from his buddy. Is this an indictment of solo diving or of the
buddy system? How often the separation contributed to the accident is
impossible to say. But the fact that buddy div ers, intentionally or
unintentionally, often become solo divers at the moment of crisis argues
in favor of learning to become a competent solo diver in case you have to.

Can the solo risk be minimized?

In diving (as in life) there are rarely absolutes like "safe" and
"dangerous." You can only enlarge or reduce the degree of risk. You can
reduce the risks of solo diving (or any diving) by improving your
equipment, your diving knowledge, your fitness, you r awareness of the
environment and your attitude. Equipment failure is actually the smallest
risk, so let's dispose of it first.

Equipment for Solo Diving

A redundant air supply. This does not mean an octopus, but either a pony
bottle or Spare Air, depending on depth and conditions. Insufficient air
was the primary cause of nine fatalities in 1996, 11 percent of the total,
and contributed to many others. High-performance regulator. You should not
be able to overbreathe your regulator during an emergency in the worst
conditions you plan to dive in. Not all regulators are created equal.
Properly maintained equipment. Consider overhauling your regulators at
least annually, whether you think they need it or not.Include a test of
your submersible pressure gauge as well: each year, fatality reports
include cases of empty tanks connected to g auges which still read several
hundred pounds. Take a close look at your BC, too--including the
inflation hose and its hardware. BCs which will not hold air occur
surprisingly often in accident reports. Cutting tools. Monofilament line
is nearly invisible, so you'll want effective cutting tools--a sharp knife
andmaybe shears. Mount both so you can reach them with either hand.
Surface signaling devices. You should carry a primary and a back-up for
both auditory and visual signals.One head in the water is less visible
than two.

Skills for Solo Diving

It's the basic skills that matter, the ones you already know. Or think you
do. Controlling your buoyancy, clearing your mask and regulator,
equalizing your ears, monitoring your instruments--all these skills you
must be able to do without stress, almost w ithout conscious thought.

The reason is that the real enemy in solo diving, even more than in buddy
diving, is panic. Panic occurs when a number of individually small
problems--a leaky mask, an entangled fin and fatigue, for example--combine
to raise your stress level, block ratio nal thought and spark fear. Here's
where a buddy diver has an advantage. The presence of another diver is
psychologically reassuring even if he does nothing helpful. Being alone in
a threatening situation, however, is always more frightening. That's why y
our basic scuba skills have to be internalized to the point of becoming
instinctive. That takes both training and experience. Some divers find
advanced training courses helpful in becoming comfortable with solo
diving. Some instructors even address solo d iving explicitly in advanced
courses. Advanced training is also an opportunity to rehearse the basic
skills again under new and increasingly stressful circumstances so that
you can perform them automatically when you need them. Certainly, diving
experienc e with a mentor is the best teacher.

Risk Assessment for Solo Diving

You need to assess the risks of a dive site differently if you are diving
solo. For example, wreck and cave penetrations are high-risk dives
considered off-limits to solo diving by most who specialize in them.
Depth, low vis, low temperature, strong current, kelp and surge all reduce
your margins for error and might cause you to scrub a solo dive you'd
undertak e with a buddy.

Wherever you draw the line, it's important to make a conscious, cool
assessment of the risks of the dive. Measure it against the amount of risk
you've already decided you're willing to accept, not against your
eagerness to dive.

The Right Attitude for Solo Diving

A self-reliant attitude may actually be the most important part of
reducing the risk of solo diving. You must recognize, and act on, the fact
that no one but yourself is responsible for your safety. No one else can
be blamed for the faulty regulator or th e unexpected current.

That's obvious, and should be true for the buddy diver as well. But it is
almost inevitable that when we join a group we surrender some of our
independence to the "herd instinct." The "co-dependent diver syndrome" is,
in fact, one of the strongest objecti ons to the buddy system. No one
intends it, but the buddy system can foster the dangerous idea that
somebody else knows better and will take care of you.

Making the decision to dive solo can, on the other hand, be a powerful
wake-up call. When you know you are diving solo, you assemble your gear,
listen to the divemaster's briefing, look over the site and enter the
water with a vivid sense that your life d epends on you--and you alone.

Whether you dive solo or not is ultimately your choice. But when you've
made the changes in your habits that reduce the risks of solo diving,
you'll be a safer buddy diver, too.

some further info at
http://www.scubadiving.com/training/instruction/solodiving/
http://www.ctaz.com/~bwana/article8.htm
http://www.skin-diver.com/departments/WaterWork/ClosetSoloDiver.asp?theID=705
 
Genesis once bubbled...


The requirements for the SDI class clearly state that you must have AOW or equivalent and 100 logged dives.

Not "new divers" by any stretch of the imagination.

Personal prejudice once again rears its head.

Sorry but the ones inquiring at my shop were new divers and one was interested because he lost his dive bud.

I guess new is a matter of perspective huh.

I think all of you should take the class. In fact wait a while I'll order a card and I can sell it to ya. I'm alittle short on cash anyway.

On this subject I feel very strongly. Is that prejudice? I feel the way I do because of the things I have seen and will continue to see.
 
:) Is it generally agreed that:

1] People will solo dive reguardless of what the
current doctrine says'
2] Solo diving in general is more dangerous that
buddy diving'
3] If you solo dive you do so at your own risk.\,
4] As long as current doctrine is buddy dive, it's better
not to teach or certify "solo divers," since it encourages
people to solo dive that shouldn't?
 
I'm in agreement with Lawman on all four points mentioned.
I don't feel that any agency should certify anyone to dive solo. I hold the SDI instructor rating (until the New Year), and couldn't conceive of certifying anyone to dive alone. The cert will only give a false sense of confidence. If one is to solo (I do almost daily), one must understand the procedures for all scenarios that are predictable and accept the responsibility for said actions.

There is no redundancy on brains, so there is no room for error.

Cheers and safe diving,
Sherpa

P.S. If you need a solo cert, you have no business diving alone
:bonk:
 
DiverBuoy,

I agree with you that going solo because of problems some encounter with the buddy system is probably the wrong reason to go solo. Its usually better to find a solution to the existing problem than to go find another problem.

We also have to consider that not having a regular competent buddy is a real problem for many divers. The option of a good solo course opens new avenues for some people to not only stay in diving until they find a regular buddy, but it allows them to do so safely and will help them know what their getting into, as opposed to doing it anyways without realizing the risks and challeges they face.

I also agree that solo should not be taken lightly and made available to all rec divers, any more than any tech course.

What I don't think is fair is the stigma and resistance exhibited by many against solo diving, but not against the other dangerous tech categories, especially since there is no conclusive evidence pointing to a disproportionate risk when solo diving is practiced competently.

Mike, if the solo courses have shortcomings and people are renting pony bottles to anyone who wants to dive solo, then we are seeing some of the problems in the dive industry, not a problem with solo diving.

Lawman, deep, wreck, and cave are taught. Do they encourage poeple to do this that should'nt? This will always be the case regardless of whether someone teaches it or not, just a matter of degrees. The fact is many divers solo dive totally unprepared for it. Is it better to leave them on their own or to provide a product for this market in order to make a dollar and make it safer, as has been done with tech and diving?

Solo diving isn't going away just because most of the dive training agencies refuse to recognize it today.
 
Scuba once bubbled...


Mike, if the solo courses have shortcomings and people are renting pony bottles to anyone who wants to dive solo, then we are seeing some of the problems in the dive industry, not a problem with solo diving.


I agree completely. The ad campain run By Rodales and this course IMO are symptoms of problems with the industry not with solo diving.

I also agree with Divesherpa those who should know it.. I do not believe that this class consisting of what? 2 dives is going to get you there. Not even with a whole hundred dives and AOW behind you.
 
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