How do I do a 50m bounce?

[dschonbrun]

Bump... enough of this foolishness

 

[bubbleblowindude]

Dude......GO FOR IT!
No guts, no glory.

 

[Tienuts]

Dude......GO FOR IT!
No guts, no glory.

See that's the attitude this board needs more of. I say why stop at 50m? Get some balls and make it 100!

 

[AzAtty]

Please don't feed the trolls. Or teach them to dive.

 

[VooDooGasMan]

I agree we need more divers to break the recod depths on air, If they did 450' in the cenotes, and some where around there in the bahamas, then I say we need a 500' air dive record.

Mine isn't to 300' yet, But Hopefully some day.

I wont die trying to get there though.

 

[Papa_Bear]

Here is the deal in 36 years of diving I very seldom go deep unless there is a reason! In the Summer of 2006 I placed a Two Tanked Productions business card at 171ft in the Great Blue Hole with much planning! We even had a couple DMs as safety divers at 140 and 150! My buddy and I planned our dive and dived our plan! The card is there on zip ties and feel free to add your own! You can read about the dive at our site!

BTW please let people now where you will do your dive so you 1. don't panic other divers and 2. they will know where to search if they have too!

Good luck and there is not much to see!

 

[lamont]

The reason for wanting to go to 50m is quite simple. It is the same reason why Bill Stone was in the Wakulla caves, the same reason Sheck Exley was in the Zacatan, The same reason Nuno Gomes was in the bottom of Bushmans gat That reason ladies and gentleman is curiosity THE NEED TO KNOW and THE NEED TO KNOW goes hand in hand with the THE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO.(otherwise I die) IM A DIVER DAMN IT . so yes I know that there is a hell of a lot of stuff my little deep diver specialty bookie didnt teach me and that is why I put this question up here in the tech forum cuz YOU DUDES KNOW MORE than me and you guys are the only tech divers that I can talk to 24/7 and bother with questions that seem silly to EL Macho divers but freaking important to me Thank you

Actually, I'd like to steer you away from the real El Macho divers. Those are the ones who have lost friends and dive buddies over the years and talk about it like it puts hair on your chest and is perfectly acceptable. In particular it is stupid to try to do bounce dives to 50m on air when there are now perfectly safe ways of getting to 50m, repeatedly without having to lose your life or those of your dive buddies. And learning those techniques will serve you well if you ever do move on to 100-150m diving where the margins are even slimmer. Build on what is already known to work well and what provides a good foundation for future development. Don't try to reinvent the wheel doing the same practices that got lots of Sheck's dive buddies killed.

I'm also a little pissed at the people giving you advice in this thread on how to do these kinds of dives. Yeah, it is the way that everyone used to dive to 50m and it certainly can be done again, but if you don't get yourself killed in the process of learning how to do it, you'll probably get buddies of yours killed who you take along with you (as happened recently in puget sound). So stick with solo diving and never peer pressure anyone into learning how to do this kind of diving with you.

 

[Thalassamania]

Actually, I'd like to steer you away from the real El Macho divers. Those are the ones who have lost friends and dive buddies over the years and talk about it like it puts hair on your chest and is perfectly acceptable. In particular it is stupid to try to do bounce dives to 50m on air when there are now perfectly safe ways of getting to 50m, repeatedly without having to lose your life or those of your dive buddies. And learning those techniques will serve you well if you ever do move on to 100-150m diving where the margins are even slimmer. Build on what is already known to work well and what provides a good foundation for future development. Don't try to reinvent the wheel doing the same practices that got lots of Sheck's dive buddies killed.

Basically I agree, with the minor correction that there are no "safe" ways to go to 50m, there are just less risky protocols than diving air. Face it, there are no "safe" ways to go to 10m.

I'm also a little pissed at the people giving you advice in this thread on how to do these kinds of dives. Yeah, it is the way that everyone used to dive to 50m and it certainly can be done again, but if you don't get yourself killed in the process of learning how to do it, you'll probably get buddies of yours killed who you take along with you (as happened recently in puget sound). So stick with solo diving and never peer pressure anyone into learning how to do this kind of diving with you.

Here I disagree, people need information. If you feel that the information that was provided was inaccurate, feel free to correct it, but I should point out that you acknowledge that this is the way that everyone used to do it (in point of fact what I suggested was WAY conservative compared to the way it really used to be done) and neither the people who did those dives nor their buddies died. There were some fatalities involving very green divers, who'd never been below 10m, getting into trouble at depths between 40m and 70m, but 50m should not be a big deal for someone who's made a number of previous dives to 40m and shows the good sense to be asking about how to best conduct a 3 to 4 minute dive to that depth.

 

[lamont]

Here I disagree, people need information. If you feel that the information that was provided was inaccurate, feel free to correct it, but I should point out that you acknowledge that this is the way that everyone used to do it (in point of fact what I suggested was WAY conservative compared to the way it really used to be done) and neither the people who did those dives nor their buddies died. There were some fatalities involving very green divers, who'd never been below 10m, getting into trouble at depths between 40m and 70m, but 50m should not be a big deal for someone who's made a number of previous dives to 40m and shows the good sense to be asking about how to best conduct a 3 to 4 minute dive to that depth.

Have you read the details of the incident in Tacoma where an instructor took his DM candidate and 2 AOW students down to 180+ fsw on single Al80s and the DM candidate died rescuing one of the AOW students? That's what I'm talking about which is divers who have built up to being able to do 50m dives on single Al80s on air successfully, dragging along someone who has barely been below 20m and killing them.

These days if you don't have the good judgment to take technical training to go to 50m you also likely don't have the good judgment to not drag people along with you who will get killed.

And actually the guy who found Chad was diving that deep on air, on a single, by himself and is 'old school' -- but has enough sense not to take AOW students down there with him. Someone who merely has the experience to learn how to do 50m dives on air doesn't necessarily have the good judgment not to take other divers with them. These days this kind of diving is more correlated with "stunt diving" among relatively inexperienced divers, which incorporates elements of peer pressure and which leads to accidents -- but its not the stronger, more aggressive diver with the better preparation that is going to wind up getting killed.

 

[Thalassamania]

Have you read the details of the incident in Tacoma where an instructor took his DM candidate and 2 AOW students down to 180+ fsw on single Al80s and the DM candidate died rescuing one of the AOW students? That's what I'm talking about which is divers who have built up to being able to do 50m dives on single Al80s on air successfully, dragging along someone who has barely been below 20m and killing them.

These days if you don't have the good judgment to take technical training to go to 50m you also likely don't have the good judgment to not drag people along with you who will get killed.

And actually the guy who found Chad was diving that deep on air, on a single, by himself and is 'old school' -- but has enough sense not to take AOW students down there with him. Someone who merely has the experience to learn how to do 50m dives on air doesn't necessarily have the good judgment not to take other divers with them. These days this kind of diving is more correlated with "stunt diving" among relatively inexperienced divers, which incorporates elements of peer pressure and which leads to accidents -- but its not the stronger, more aggressive diver with the better preparation that is going to wind up getting killed.

The OP has made (claims to have made) a fair number of 40m dives (enough to get bored, I'm not quite sure how that happens .... but) and feels ready to move on to a 50m dive. This is quite different from the examples that you posit.