How Can This Be!

[RonFrank]

It happens all the time, further proof that cards don't make a diver......

I doubt happens much... If she had six dives, she was not Rescue... so her boasting was just that, and it's more likely she was just OW with little experience.

I'm not suggestng that cards make the diver, but training is a good thing, and most people who persue training to the point of Rescue are generally very capable divers.

 

[bruehlt]

$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$ ..... heheh

 

[RonFrank]

She should of thought of that before she screwed the system....Oh well, eventually she will learn a lesson and ask for help. She is a certified AOW Rescue diver why would she need help? She made her bed and now she can lay in it. Why attempt to justify her ignorance? Even if tried I am sure she would not heed the advise. You are correct you would not want to be on the boat in need of help especially if you misrepresent yourself. An AOW Diver who cannot do a giant stride is humourous, an AOW Rescue Diver who leaves their buddy behind is ignorant. Her divebuddy dropped her after the first dive she then latched on and followed others without a divebuddy.

Further proof that she indeed needed help. You did not even attempt to provide it. Believe me, I've had dives (actually one that I cared about) somewhat wrecked by less experienced divers. Our response was to attempt to help during our dive, and then we helped him find another couple to buddy with :evilsmile

Why is an AOW diver who can not do a giant stride humourous? Boy, I've sure skied with more than a few people who *misrepresented* their ability. I guess I could have laughed at them, but instead I've often spent the time I could have done three runs in getting them off the run safely. Not sure I'd enjoying being on a boat with people who laughed at someone because their skills were in need of improvement.

There are many crys for help. Often the lying, misbehaved child is the one that needs the most help. Adults are not all that different.

I'm curious, how did you discover she was a Rescue diver, with only six dives?

 

[ScubaSixString]

Yeah the best way to get you to think about pretty pink unicorns is to tell you to NOT THINK ABOUT PRETTY PINK UNICORNS.

The place to learn the giant stride is in the pool. Trying to merely describe this procedure is bound to produce erroneous results. Some people "get it" right away and some don't.

However, once snickering or overt laughing starts (it NEVER is totally behind their back), the need to save face shows also starts. Add to this a Divemaster YELLING at them over air consumption... AIR CONSUMPTION and we have an environment that fosters this saving face phenomenon.

Again, I first fault the original instructor. Her buddy/planning/entry skills seem to be lacking or non-existant. Possiblyher instructor was as abusive as the DM and if so, I can see that she merely emulated her instructor's attitude.

The problem with giving advice, is that it rarely respects the privacy or dignity of the other person. Start with "I see you are having some difficulties with your giant stride, and I would like to share a few things that my instructor passed on to me..." The response to this question will clue you into a few things. Whether they SEE they have a problem. Maybe they LIKE the face plant!?! Whether they are open to YOU. Whether they are open to ADVICE from you.It is better to show empathy than outright contempt.

Again, owning a card without owning the skills is an instructor problem, not a student problem. Students almost ALWAYS perform to the level of skill required by their instructor.

"NOT THINK ABOUT PRETTY PINK UNICORNS"

Thanks man.......now i'm going to be not thinking about them all day

True. Laughing at someone who is having trouble, even if they are an *****, is rather bad form. Its at best rude and more likely rather sanctimonious.

Why a DM would get pissed to the point of yelling at someone over something like air consumption is beyond me. Remind this air hog to stay away from charters.

But, what do you do when its obvious a stroke is having problems and doesn't want your help?

 

[SteveDiver]

Quote:"Further proof that she indeed needed help. You did not even attempt to provide it. Believe me, I've had dives (actually one that I cared about) somewhat wrecked by less experienced divers. Our response was to attempt to help during our dive, and then we helped him find "

If you read the prior posts you will notice that many of us offered our assistance. She refused all of our advise even when we sugar coated it..there was no speaking to her at all. (see prior posts) we all attempted to assist her.

Yes we laughed and I will not apologize for doing so. It was funny on how she boasted about herself and how skilled she is as a diver then making a simple mistake over and over again. We did not laugh in her face she was already under the water. Yes, she was yelled at regarding her air consumption and coming up because SHE LEFT HER BUDDY(in prior posts). We did attempt to help her (details in prior posts) and she refused. She showed us her C-cards believe me I can still picture her name on the cards. She paid for the special card with the mantatee on it... She thought she was god with her c cards and treated others like idiots. Really who cares? I should have never brought this up to the group. Apparently there are some in here that tend to look at a situation to make assumptions for the intention of telling someone what they should have or have not done based on their assumptions.

 

[bisonduquebec]

I did do my rescue certification (And should do it yearly to be trained...)
I did learn something really good. My teacher told us, if you are diving in a group don’t show or brag about your rescue card unless you are planning to act like one. Since I am not training regurlarly-doing rescues, I don't feel that I could really help - so I don't show off and use my regular AOW cards. If things go bad on a site and i feel like I could help, then I will act upon it and help. Otherwise, most Rescue divers are useless and a problem more then anything else.

 

[Web Monkey]

CheckOut dives - 4
AOW Checkout - 5
Nitrox - 2 (maybe done in any of the other classes)
Rescue - 5

Plus she would have to have 4 additional dives to complete Rescue.

The simple fact is that she could not have been rescue trained without more diving, at least under PADI. Actually under SSI or NAUI she could be rescue trained with as little as 9 dives I believe.

SSI has no "Rescue Diver" certification, so that probably wasn't it. They have a "Stress & Rescue" class, which I believe requires an additonal 4 or 5 dives.

Terry

 

[SteveDiver]

I did do my rescue certification (And should do it yearly to be trained...)
I did learn something really good. My teacher told us, if you are diving in a group don’t show or brag about your rescue card unless you are planning to act like one. Since I am not training regurlarly-doing rescues, I don't feel that I could really help - so I don't show off and use my regular AOW cards. If things go bad on a site and i feel like I could help, then I will act upon it and help. Otherwise, most Rescue divers are useless and a problem more then anything else.

One should never boast about their skill level what ever the skill level may be. You never know when you will need someone's help and there are always others out there that you can learn from. I have learned alot of valuable information just by meeting other divers.

 

[SteveDiver]

SSI has no "Rescue Diver" certification, so that probably wasn't it. They have a "Stress & Rescue" class, which I believe requires an additonal 4 or 5 dives.

Terry

Her c-cards were from PADI....

 

[drbill]

Man, I'd sure like to know HOW this person got those certifications with only 6 dives. This is absolutely absurd, but unfortunately not atypical of the industry (or certain segments of it) today.

I encountered a PADI certified instructor in Belize who (1) didn't know how to put the strap on HER OWN mask (I thought she was kidding when she asked me to do it); (2) put her BCD on her tank 90 degrees out of alignment (and said that was how she'd always done it); (3) even when shown how top ut the BCD on correctly, did it wrong two more times; (4) was so bouyancy control challenged when she went over the reef edge at the drop off she fell on top of a 6 ft table coral, smashing pieces of it (I saved the ship's video camera she had but didn't bother lending her a hand- one of our other divers did that); and (5) on her second dive stayed about 10-15 ft below the surface and well above us (at 80-100 ft) since she didn't know how to weight herself correctly and descend without a line).