How Can This Be!

[SteveDiver]

Quote:If you don't want to subject yourself to people "rushing to judgment", perhaps you should try not doing so yourself ... after all, on the internet, we can only base your "character" on what you say and how you choose to say it ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

There is a difference on making a judgement based on FACTS then assumptions. Never was it stated that we ridiculed this diver it was assumed. We treated her with respect and offered assistance. We helped her even when she did not want help even though she got upset when we did help her or offer advise. Instead of making assumptions one should ask questions for a better understanding. Such as- Did you offer to help? answer-yes, was she open to advise? answer-no etc. In the attempt to keep the post short I neglected to go into great detail. I should have been more clear in order to avoid assumptions being made.

You can lead a horse to water however you cannot force it to drink. Even though she did not heed our advise we kept an extra watchful eye on her when we were diving. If she were to get into a situation we would have been there to assist regardless. Even though her demeanor was poor, we as divers always look out for one another regardless.

Personalities aside the topic is how can a diver hold c-cards with such a small amount of dives. It is dangerous. Most of us know people who are an expert on everything that you can tell nothing. Does it mean we allow them to put theirselves in danger? The answer is no.

IMO she should have never been allowed to dive. Due to her demeanor and her skills shown, she was watched by myself and other divers more closely then any other diver.

Yes, we laughed at some things and anyone saying that it was not funny is full of ****. It was more of laughing in disgust and disbelief then anything else. The idea of a person with her cert. level, refusing help or advise, giving advise to others then making a elementary error was ironic and comical. It was like someone telling you that they know how to ride horse and then they get on the horse backwards. This after they tell you how to ride the horse....

I felt sorry for her and it was frustrating that she was not open to suggestion from anyone. She did not pay attention or listen to the DM either. She knew it all and nobody could tell her different. All we could do is watch her closely in case she needed us.

 

[Don Burke]

Never was it stated that we ridiculed this diver it was assumed.

There was a lady on our liveaboard who had a Rescue Diver-AOW C-card and a Nitrox C-card with ONLY SIX DIVES!!!!!!!! I could not believe this...I asked the DM on the boat to verify what SHE told me and he stated that is what she put down on the release paperwork. It was apparent that she was a new diver especially when she did the giant stride and fell face first in the water. She was yelled at by the Divemaster because she sucked her air down fast and left her divebuddy behind. On the second dive the Divemaster told her to look straight ahead when doing the giant stride (basic right) telling her this after he had to turn her air on. Well, she didn't listen and went face first AGAIN loosing her goggles!!! My divebuddy and I were cracking up laughing saying," see that!, there is an excellent Rescue Diver". Before the trip ended mostly everyone on the boat was laughing at her and she was the topic of conversation. The ironic thing about her is that she was arrogant and quick to offer advise and tell everyone how wonderful she is. Question: Why did the DM let her dive when he knew that her c-cards are B.S.?????

We treated her with respect and offered assistance.

She should of thought of that before she screwed the system....Oh well, eventually she will learn a lesson and ask for help. She is a certified AOW Rescue diver why would she need help? She made her bed and now she can lay in it. Why attempt to justify her ignorance? Even if tried I am sure she would not heed the advise. You are correct you would not want to be on the boat in need of help especially if you misrepresent yourself. An AOW Diver who cannot do a giant stride is humourous, an AOW Rescue Diver who leaves their buddy behind is ignorant. Her divebuddy dropped her after the first dive she then latched on and followed others without a divebuddy.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[Diver0001]

This thread has nothing more to offer. Can we have it closed please.

R..

 

[SteveDiver]

Quote:Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yes Don I can see how one can make the assumption that she was rediculed by the statements that I made. In the prior post I attempted to clarify the issue. We did not laugh and discuss the issues in her presence. We discussed this amongst' each other. Do not try to make it into something that it is not.

The situation was very frustrating to many of us. This frustration probably came out in my post. Maybe we should of ridiculed her since I am being accused of it anyway. I will attempt to be more clear when I post and not type out of emotion. I am no longer going to attempt to justify my post. I am comfortable on how we handled the situation. I guess one would have had to been there to understand.

 

[pt40fathoms]

OW = 4 dives
AOW = 5 dives
Nitrox = 2 dives (PADI requires 2 dives for cert)
Rescue = 2 dives (actually its 10 hours in the water with lots of short drops under, but qualifies as 2 dives for logging purposes)

So far she had 13 dives, and needs 20 in total to complete Rescue. That means she had to have had 7 dives logged in order to complete the Rescue course. If for some reason here OW or AOW had a redo on one of the dives, it is entirely possible for her to have only 6 dives logged that were not training dives.

She may have been arrogant, and poorly trained, but at least she has the excuse that whoever trained her was a bad instructor. What excuse do the divers on the boat who made fun of her have for the poor way she was treated topside?

 

[pt40fathoms]

Yes Don I can see how one can make the assumption that she was rediculed by the statements that I made. In the prior post I attempted to clarify the issue. We did not laugh and discuss the issues in her presence. We discussed this amongst' each other.

Ok, just as long as you didn't make her feel like an outcast.

 

[SteveDiver]

Ok, just as long as you didn't make her feel like an outcast.

Never, we were polite after all we were all on the boat together for 5 nights. We even traded business cards with her. It is unfortunate that she has the c-cards with the lack of experience. We all took care of her being careful not to offend her. I just wish she was open to advise or discussion because I am afraid that her over confidence is going to get her hurt.

 

[SteveDiver]

This thread has nothing more to offer. Can we have it closed please.

R..

Just like TV if you do not like what your watching then change the channel.....

 

[m3830431]

Personalities aside the topic is how can a diver hold c-cards with such a small amount of dives. It is dangerous. Most of us know people who are an expert on everything that you can tell nothing.

Just because you hold the c-card doesn't make you an expert.
It only implies you are capable of doing the skills at that level,
at least once. There are few expert and very many good divers in any
certification. There are also very many poor dives.

 

[ScubaSixString]

It could be that this poor woman did her OW, AOW, Nitrox, and Rescue all in a row before ever doing a recreational dive. Then she counted her post-certification dives only when she was asked, so it was a total of 6. She also could have never done a boat dive before she boarded this liveaboard, so didn't have a clue about giant strides. By the time everyone finished talking about her behind her back and the DM yelling at her, she might have been so flustered and upset that she wasn't teachable at that point.

It's really too bad the DM didn't take her aside (before yelling at her) and have a quiet conversation about her dive experience and certifications. Instead, he helped set up a hostile environment where only the tormentors were having a good time. <sigh>

Yet another reason require a number of nonclasswork dives before letting you take AOW or Rescue. "LOOK MA, I PAID $1000 and I'm now a Divemaster! I've never been in the water without instructor supervision, but that's not important....look at my shiny new card!"