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fairybasslet:
I guess I just fail to see the benefit of pretending that you know more than you do. I am not ashamed to admit that I have a lot to learn, and on every dive, I'm always trying to learn more. If someone thinks I'm a pain, well, I guess that's their problem. There are more than enough people around on any boat willing to impart some advice. And whether I asked for it or not, I am grateful for it.

On the company you are in, if you say you don't know and others ridicule/laugh at you then that person tends to put on a front...human nature. Its not the fault of the person putting on the front but those that like to put others down (so that they look good?)
 
KangarooSeatbelt:
Couldn't agree more. Even if it's pansy reef diving at 20', we're still entering a hostile environment on a life support system. We've got to ALWAYS watch each others' back. F#@* pride.

Actually 30fsw is a bit easier on buoyancy, but I LOVE diving shallower reefs...
 
Somehow I'm not very surprised. Padi makes it almost impossible to fail a certification. Only a few instructors that I know will fail someone, the rest have the attitude well I hope she/he doesn't drown.
 
Ray Chavez:
Padi makes it almost impossible to fail a certification.

Not True. Actually they make it very easy to fail someone...
 
I see most of the reply here aiming to critize Stevediver.

I just want to share my experience, that this kind of diver (similar to the lady that he was talking about) is really a headache for their companions. I can understand why Stevediver did what he did.


I had this friend, he went to OW together with me, before he even touched the sea, he already had full gear. Before he finished OW, he was planning to get his AOW. A week after OW, he went for AOW. By the time I took my AOW, he took his Rescue and already bought his second set of equipment (he felt that his previous equipment was not able to perform now he had higher experience). And mind you, all of his equipment cost arm, leg, and kidney. All of them all top range, including the top range mask, I forget the type which cost 10 times or more than ordinary mask. He told me he was also preparing himself to go technical.


His performances, I have a lot to share with you guys.

- He rode a turtle in his OW dive, so the dive pattern was up and down up and down, ignoring the instructor warning.

- He dives with his hands all over him, grabbing and moving frantically.

- He can't stay at one spot for a long time, because he can control his buoyancy, so he has to keep fining.

- After he was certified Rescue, he was still struggling to do roll-back right.


Every dive we had with him, gave us headache.
- He was always number one when the DM tried to show us something, and gave us no chance to look at the thing/scared the fish away.


During my long trip with him, every dive was a disaster for him.

- He shot up two times from more than 50 ft, because he didn't realized he was out of air. (We were still have at least 1/3 of the tank capacity). Thank God he was OK.
Just for information, he seemed like he doesn't understand about buddy system. He never stayed close to his buddy, and didn't understand hand signal. When one of the buddy asked him to do safety stop when he ran out of air, he nodded ok and finned away to chase a fish. :11:

- He has 60% dives with flooding mask. Yes, that expensive mask. When we told him that his mask might be too big for him, he demonstrated that he did a proper try when he bought it. And guess what, he tried it, he put his mask on, and it didn't drop, because he also put on the strap. (I can wear a D sized bra mask without dropping it if I put the strap on..)

- His equipments failed. His octopus failed, His inflator hose went off, He dropped his camera, and didn't realize it until he was in the boat. Lately I know, he blamed everyone for not taking care of him. (He did his own ascend without telling us that he was going to go up).
This was the second time he dropped his camera. First time, his buddy recovered it, eh, he just snatched it away without thanks.
And every time his equipment failed (almost every dive, we just needed to wait for his story every time we surfaced), he planned to change them. I can see why he would never be comfortable with his equipments.

There was one time, first time he did the back roll correctly, he swam to me and started bragging and asking whether I was ok and needed his help. I guess it boasted his confidence??? (See I also can do back roll, so now, I think you need my help because you have lower certification). Gosh...

We really don't know how to deal with him. We have this group of seven divers + DM. And although we had assigned buddy, usually we are group buddy, we look at everyone closely, unless, of course, they are out of our sight without any communication, like him, and it happened all the time.

Group talk, individual talk, nag, we had tried, but he never really understood and listened to us. From serious talking to making fun of him, we couldn't make him come to senses. :banghead:
Worst, he felt intimidated, and refused to talk to us when we started to 'nag'. :007:

After that long trip, he told us we are not the suitable companions for him, and he felt he was out of place and 'not welcomed', so he pursued his dream to be dive master and technical diver (I'm scared for anyone involved). A month after the dive trip, I heard he bought his third set of equipments. (We strongly think he printed money) :shakehead

The rest of the group are still close friends and dive together. Right, he is always an entertaining topic. There is a limit when you become a joke. :whack:


P.S : I spent an hour and a half, ten angry fingers writing this post.
 
Oh, I am not blaming Steve: I am blaming the instructor. I do so for your "friend" as well. If one of my students even TOUCHED a sea turtle, that dive would not count. We would be doing remedial diving. If the hands were all over the palce, we would be back in the pool. That is simply unacceptable.

It appears that your "friend" was way too eager. We get those from time to time. They read the book, some of them are even members right here. They want to get GOING and be ready next week to dive the Andrea Doria. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. :D

They are their own worst enemy, and what is the big problem? Their instructor didn't exercise THEIR authority and put some brakes on. He has no idea how big a fool he is making himself out to be. It's up to the instructor to be certain that a certain level of comfort in the water is reached and that their attitude is safety oriented.
 
I agree NetDoc. What I have learned is that being in this situation is not fun for those who attempt to assist a diver that is not willing to be assisted. Please keep in mind yes we laughed out of frustration and disgust because of the situation. When situations like this occur it is normal for others to discuss the situation amongst' theirselves in order to resolve. I would like everyone to understand that we did not laugh in her face. By no means did we find this funny. It is hard to explain the laughing without sounding like we were being cruel. Did you ever see something happen that was not funny however you laughed a little and shook your head? out of disbelief? This is the only way I can explain it.

We all were very respectful to her. We just could not offer her any advise no matter how we spoke with her. We ate dinner with her and listened to her stories, we traded business cards etc. I am a caring diver and always willing to help someone and ask for help. Afterall, I did not have to make any attempt to help her but I did as if I were in her position I would want a helping hand. I as well as others reached our hand out to help her.

You are correct the Instructor that gave her the C cards is at fault. The instructor gave her the ammo of false self confidence without the gun.
 
For the record... I wasn't there and have no issue with how you conducted yoruself. You are the best judge of that. It just makes me MAD that instructors don't do what they are paid to do: Teach Divers how to dive. This includes skills, attitude, and situational awareness. Superior Instructors produce superior divers. Most who want to learn are concerned about only two things: price and time. This tilts the table in favor of crappy instructors.

One question though... was the dive platform awash or close to being awash?
 
Giant Stride approx. 4-5 foot drop.
 

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