Question Hollis Prism 2 - Advice & Tips

[Mas.]

Based on what?

We can rephrase it to, basesd on Maximum life span for human vs life span of bigger corporations with more sustainable governance.

 

[rjack321]

We can rephrase it to, basesd on Maximum life span for human vs life span of bigger corporations with more sustainable governance.

Prism 2 and rEvo III are the only two CE models likely to be around for longer time. All others are owned by smaller businesses who rely on single individuals.

Clearly you have no clue what you are talking about. Low profit product support is terminated all the time, ever heard of Dacor? Even past Hollis RBs have come and gone before too

 

[Mas.]

Low profit product support is terminated all the time, ever heard of Dacor? Even past Hollis RBs have come and gone before too

Fortunately, we now have only two CCR units owned/ operated by larger corporations. We finally have the rEvo III from Belgium acquired by Mares and Head Sport GmbH, the parent of Mares, SSI training, other brands. And we finally have Hollis PRISM 2, Made in USA, acquired by Huish Outdoors, a family business parent of Atomic Aquatics, Suunto, Zeagle, Oceanic+ app, others with potential for sustainable governance.

Please share if you are aware of any other CE model that you think will be around for 40+ years after the individuals behind it are gone.

 

[mr_v]

Fortunately, we now have only two CCR units owned/ operated by larger corporations. We finally have the rEvo III from Belgium acquired by Mares and Head Sport GmbH, the parent of Mares, SSI training, other brands. And we finally have Hollis PRISM 2, Made in USA, acquired by Huish Outdoors, a family business parent of Atomic Aquatics, Suunto, Zeagle, Oceanic+ app, others with potential for sustainable governance.

Please share if you are aware of any other CE model that you think will be around for 40+ years after the individuals behind it are gone.

Not sure what point you're trying to make, but here is some perspective: Average lifespan of a company in SP500 index is 20 years. Some companies go bankrupt and disappear other companies transform due to mergers and acquisitions. Evolution is typical in business. If anyone could predict with high accuracy, that'd some serious talent.

A good company will always find a new owner if the original team is not interested or able to run the business. Also... Prism 2 as a benchmark?

 

[Big-swede]

We can rephrase it to, basesd on Maximum life span for human vs life span of bigger corporations with more sustainable governance.

Sorry you cant rephrase it to that.
A company/product can be sold, transferred, "leased" etc.

Have you heard of facebook? Apple? Do you think those brands will die with Zuckerberg/jobs?

What mean is that your argument has no value, not that mine is bulletproof.

 

[Mas.]

This became old news: "Prism 2 and rEvo III are the only two CE models owned by larger companies. All other CR models are operated by entrepreneurs/ human/ individuals."

If you know any other CE model that is operated by a larger company pls let's share it with the OP so he can make an informed decision.

For the side topic about the science of business governance. Yes, larger companies is known to have a better potential for a more sustainable governance that can extened the life of entity between 0 to hundereds of years. Products operated by entrepreneurs/ human/ individuals have 5 years average lifespan and with limited lifespan of 40 years at best case scenario.

Sorry you cant rephrase it to that.
A company/product can be sold, transferred, "leased" etc.

Have you heard of facebook? Apple? Do you think those brands will die with Zuckerberg/jobs?

What mean is that your argument has no value, not that mine is bulletproof.

Not sure what point you're trying to make, but here is some perspective: Average lifespan of a company in SP500 index is 20 years. Some companies go bankrupt and disappear other companies transform due to mergers and acquisitions. Evolution is typical in business. If anyone could predict with high accuracy, that'd some serious talent.

A good company will always find a new owner if the original team is not interested or able to run the business. Also... Prism 2 as a benchmark?

 

[mr_v]

Products operated by entrepreneurs/ human/ individuals have 5 years average lifespan and with limited lifespan of 40 years at best case scenario.

You're confusing ownership lifespan with something else. Rebreather market is a niche and segmented. Expect company consolidation with strongest products surviving the cull.

 

[Big-swede]

Best case 40 years? AP was founded in the 60's and poseidon in the 50's.

 

[flymolo]

Sorry you cant rephrase it to that.
A company/product can be sold, transferred, "leased" etc.

Have you heard of facebook? Apple? Do you think those brands will die with Zuckerberg/jobs?

What mean is that your argument has no value, not that mine is bulletproof.

hate to break it to you but Jobs is dead

 

[broncobowsher]

Since we are down the toxic rabbit hole of corporate ownership and the Kool-aid (it was actually Flavor-aid it you really know the story there) of long term support. Hollis (same one as the Prism) had another rebreather called the Explorer. When Huish bought Hollis, any hint of support of the Explorer was killed. So much for big corporation support.

Is this unique to the rebreather industry? No. Let me hop on my 2-wheels and go through another story. Little motorcycle company out of Europe called Gasgas. They were bought out by the big corporation of KTM. The buyout should have been great for Gasgas. They now have an established dealer network. No longer being sold out of a single importer out of his garage. The bikes are very good. At the club level a 20-year old bike is still good and competitive. When KTM took over, they killed all support of legacy models. I'm sure some bean counter figured that if you couldn't fix your old bike, you would just buy a new one. Since the take over I have seen more new Gasgas bikes out there. But they are first time buyers utilizing the dealer network. Falsh int he pan new toy. The legacy buyers, the ones who actually do new bikes every couple of years and pass the older ones down through the club. No interest in Gasgas anymore. While there is support for new bikes, that will be short lived. Nobody who has been around has any trust in KTM continued support. The market for used Gasgas has tanked. Nobody wants to get caught with an old one. Apparently KTM did that with another brand as well. They are known for killing support of not that old stuff.

Just goes to show that large corporate ownership does not mean anything for long term support.