Hog wrapping a bail out hose under a loop on a rebreather.

[Heat Miser]

I get it sry ... your saying rack mountable have their bailout on their back and don't donate stages and therefore have to have a long hose ... but side mounted bail out stage cylinders for rebreathers can be swapped or donated and don't need a long hose.

OK I know plenty of sidemount OC divers who still use long hoses. I can't see myself changing that part of my set-up. Its on every rig I own, single tank OC, Back mounted doubles, Sidemount with my XDeep Stealth 2 and its staying on my rEvo bail out until I croke.

 

[tbone1004]

I get it sry ... your saying rack mountable have their bailout on their back and don't donate stages and therefore have to have a long hose ... but side mounted bail out stage cylinders for rebreathers can be swapped or donated and don't need long hose.

OK I know plenty of sidemount OC divers who still use long hoses. I can't see myself changing that part of my set-up. Its on every rig I own, single tank OC, Back mounted doubles, Sidemount with my XDeep BCD and its staying on my rEvo until I croke it.

in cave diving we can't donate primary sidemount bottles either so those have to have long hoses on them, but if you are sidemounting you can leave the majority tucked in and figure out where to clip it off that works for you

 

[rddvet]

If you use a gag strap (I do as its proven to be effective at keeping you alive in the event of loss of consciousness) then this all falls apart. If my buddy is that far down the bailout rabbit hole to need my gas then the extra 5-10seconds it might take to fumble with a stuffed but shifted 2nd stage is the least of our worries.

Yeah the gag strap completely changed the dynamic.

 

[Wibble]

If you are sidemounting the bailout bottles, then you don't really need to hog loop the long hose.

There is no need for a long hose.

You should still put the short one on a necklace, but the long hose can easily be clipped to the harness and stay stuffed on the bottle.

Short hose?????

It's a CCR for goodness sake. It has a loop which you breathe from. Any bailout gas is only available from the bailout cylinder.

And then there's a BOV, with all the additional grief that brings....

 

[Heat Miser]

3) What I do when I'm getting ready to get back on the boat is that after I clear deco, I remove the reg from the necklace and pass it between my cheek and loop, up around my head, back down the other side between my cheek and loop. If you practice, it is easy and you don't need to remove your loop and now your bailout cylinder is free to pass back up to the boat.

I'll give this a go next w/e.

 

[tbone1004]

There is no need for a long hose.


Short hose?????

It's a CCR for goodness sake. It has a loop which you breathe from. Any bailout gas is only available from the bailout cylinder.

And then there's a BOV, with all the additional grief that brings....

do you use a long hose on any open circuit gear? If you do, the logic for the long hose in OC still applies to CCR. This is still technical diving, passing bottles around is not a good idea if you can help it, and for those of us that cave dive or do wreck penetration, the long hose is a requirement as those bottles can't be passed off and many of us do not use the onboard 2l/3l for diluent.

 

[kensuf]

@kensuf where are you running your QC6 line from?

Left post.

 

[Wibble]

do you use a long hose on any open circuit gear? If you do, the logic for the long hose in OC still applies to CCR.

Beg to differ.

The CCR is nothing like open circuit. The self-contained CCR unit has a single loop and sufficient gas for one to complete the dive. As a CCR will run the whole dive on the oxygen and diluent there’s little spare and certainly not enough for an open circuit diver to guzzle.

The emergency bailout is separately carried such that it can be used should that unit fail or shared should someone else need it for an emergency.


The reason for a long hose on OC is that you are sharing backgas. You do not do that on CCR, you have an independent and removable stage cylinder which is given to the victim if necessary.

 

[grantctobin]

The self-contained CCR unit has a single loop and sufficient gas for one to complete the dive. As a CCR will run the whole dive on the oxygen and diluent there’s little spare and certainly not enough for an open circuit diver to guzzle.

There are many caves in which your 2L or 3L or 4L onboard diluent is inadequate, and doubly true if you're running your wing off of it.

How many deep bailouts are you carrying on your overhead penetrations?

 

[Wibble]

There are many caves in which your 2L or 3L or 4L onboard diluent is inadequate, and doubly true if you're running your wing off of it.

How many deep bailouts are you carrying on your overhead penetrations?

A specialist application for which specialist solutions are required.