Help with configuration

[simbrooks]

I understand not wanting to do all that stuff, however breathing off your wing is also somewhat of a pain i am sure.

Wasnt sure if the DS and wing attachments were similar or not (again, dont dive dry) and was throwing that one out there. Thanks again.

 

[MASS-Diver]

I was thinking more in the rec diving times, when those who dont have similar set-ups are diving with you, some need a bit of a clue as to which reg to grab (even if you discuss in pre-dive briefing). Also given the fact that most reg sets are sold with one yellow and one "other colour" faceplates, which would you rather a rec diver who is OOA grabbing - the one in your mouth that is or isnt yellow, or around your neck that is or isnt yellow (i know you donate the one on the 7ft hose you breathe off)? Most essentially untrained divers (ie those not used to the rig, but still certified) would go for the yellow one regardless of where it is. Before you scan that without reading it, let me reiterate - they would grab the yellow one most likely, you dont want them to grab the one around your neck - they wont get it all that far, so how would you set that one up to make it easiest for them? This is assuming they come up to you panicked (ie not thinking straight, fairly common - how many times do we hear about divers like that?) and take the reg from you - i would prefer that to be the one in my mouth on the long hose - therefore to do so they would like to see yellow and i happen to have one yellow ane one gray faceplate from my first reg set-up - guess which i will put on the donating reg??? Yes i could buy another faceplate, but i havent been to the dealers store in a while, been diving (getting other fills elsewhere) or on vacation instead. Of course a "trained" diver would know and have practiced this plenty of times, so in a technical dive they would know what they were doing most likely and colour wouldnt matter to them.

Would you really buddy up with someone who didn't know where you donated air from? Furthermore, it seems unlikley that even a paniced diver would pass over your main reg to dig after your secondary around you neck. In terms of random divers coming up and grabbing at you...well that's why you have a knife.

Just becasue it's a "rec" dive doesn't mean you don't need to be diving with people that have 1/2 decent skills and gear.

 

[simbrooks]

Would you really buddy up with someone who didn't know where you donated air from? Furthermore, it seems unlikley that even a paniced diver would pass over your main reg to dig after your secondary around you neck. In terms of random divers coming up and grabbing at you...well that's why you have a knife.

Just becasue it's a "rec" dive doesn't mean you don't need to be diving with people that have 1/2 decent skills and gear.

Was playing devil's advocate, however sometimes you do get a buddy of convenience, but that is something else altogether. Essentially the other reason was that i had to put that yellow faceplate somewhere - it was going to be one or the other 2nd stage.

 

[wedivebc]

Correct. Also, you do not have both inflators on the left post. Your wing/BC inflator comes from the right post, the drysuit from the left. Same with second stages; your primary comes from the right, secondary (necklace) from the left.

MD

So you cross the bc inflator hose from the right post to the left side where the power inflator is usually located? What about the drysuit hose routing?

 

[MechDiver]

So you cross the bc inflator hose from the right post to the left side where the power inflator is usually located?

Yes. The LP hose is held to the wing inflator using inner tube. The inflator is held to the left shoulder dring with bungee.

What about the drysuit hose routing?

The DS hose comes off the left post, behind the wing, and across the chest. Some put the DS hose through the left webbing, but I don't like that. The DS hose, being somewhat long, could serve as a backup wing LP hose if necessary

MD

 

[grazie42]

I think making the longhose yellow is a very good idea and my next one will be in that colour...why get it black when you can get it yellow? if you´re an uw-hunter or atack-diver it´d make sense to have it black but as I´m neither I don´t see why it shouldnt be yellow...at least that will help those rec divers someone was talking about to "choose" the right reg...

 

[orcatwiggy]

OK. In researching something else, this thread showed up in the search results. I have a question.....but before I ask it, I want to set the record straight. I an Not DIR nor am I DIR. I am evaluating the philosophy and have read the books, listened to the audios about four times each.

If DIR is technically "better" or "right" compared to the onslaught of products created from marketing folks with no experience, I ask you this.

If you look at the latest and greatest Halcyon product, the Eclipse, or any other DIR "approved" BP/W, they all have a breathable inflator. Yet, DIR insists on a primary regulator and also a backup around the neck.

Doesn't that make three ? Listen to the tapes. George Irvine advocates this setup. So does Jablonski.

Why the harsh criticism about not wanting to dive with this person or telling him to rethink the approach. DIR advocates it. They are the sticklers for redundancy and safety, i.e. think about all possible scenarios and create a solution before it becomes a crisis.....Risk Management.

Who has it wrong?

Just my observations.

 

[orcatwiggy]

DO not mistake my last post as an advocate for the configuration of the divers post configuration on the first stage. I just noticed a tendancy towards blasting him for three regs.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

I think making the longhose yellow is a very good idea and my next one will be in that colour...why get it black when you can get it yellow? if you´re an uw-hunter or atack-diver it´d make sense to have it black but as I´m neither I don´t see why it shouldnt be yellow...at least that will help those rec divers someone was talking about to "choose" the right reg...

what color does either look like at 3atm?

 

[detroit diver]

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If you look at the latest and greatest Halcyon product, the Eclipse, or any other DIR "approved" BP/W, they all have a breathable inflator. Yet, DIR insists on a primary regulator and also a backup around the neck........

A breathable inflator is NOT a regulator. The only reason it's breathable is because you need to be able to inflate your wing if you've had an inflator hose problem and so has a mouthpiece. The design lets you breath it, but it's not a regulator by any means.

Could you breath it as a last resort? Of course, but I wouldn't want to unless I had to. There are too many other options when you dive DIR to have to resort to that.