Has anyone ever gone back?

[SparticleBrane]

If it ended - no one told the manufacturers. They still make bP/wings and back inflates that face plant everyone. They all do this unless counter-weighted (trimmed out.)

Funny...
Go ahead and tell that to all the divers I dive with, and all the open water students we train at my university program every semester. I've never had issues with "face planting" and neither have any of them.

You're full of crap.

 

[sheck33]

the reality is jacket style BCD's and even some back inflate BCD's are safer to use than BP/wings - especially for newer inexperienced divers.

B u l l s h i t

excuse the language and sorry for not being politically correct.

 

[Scubastud16]

This has turned into an absolute slaughter. I can't wait to see what replies he comes up with!

 

[sheck33]

Imagine this. I claim in the DIR forum that I think it is totally a good idea to put both my drysuitinflator AND my winginflator on the right post because my primary is on the left post, since the left post is 'more likely' to fail it is safer to do it that way for buoyancy reasons.

Ya think I'd get taken apart?

What did he expect?


PS: a few days ago I actually had a diver tell me something similar was a good idea.

 

[Mambo Dave]

I'm one of only ... a few whom I've ever see do this, but a highly-respected local deep tec diver showed me his DR backplate set-up, specifically pointing out the 2 lb. weight he had on the crotch strap, a few inches below the backplate right on the butt-area. He claimed it helped bring some weight down lower to have a more upright position on the top of the water when he was up there.

I put one on, consider it standard, and haven't thought about it since. But, yeah, if someone is having face-plant issues, they might want to try the idea.

 

[james croft]

I'm one of only ... a few whom I've ever see do this, but a highly-respected local deep tec diver showed me his DR backplate set-up, specifically pointing out the 2 lb. weight he had on the crotch strap, a few inches below the backplate right on the butt-area. He claimed it helped bring some weight down lower to have a more upright position on the top of the water when he was up there.

I put one on, consider it standard, and haven't thought about it since. But, yeah, if someone is having face-plant issues, they might want to try the idea.

It would also provide much needed rear-end protection from being slashed open from exiting a wreck.

I have seen this before on a rig and the person said it worked very well. I never had felt the need for this as my BP/W trims out well underwater.

 

[offthewall1]

I'm still here... no one has proven anything I say wrong... because you can't. I won't get much support here because I posted in a forum called "Hogarthian." I've gotten exactly what I expected from you guys. We're real divers here... and any of you who think you know more than I do... are welcome to stop by the store and continue the debate.

The simple evidence that what I say is factual is in the very theory behind the design of the BP/Wing... which is to keep you trimmed parallel to the seabed (in a perfectly horizontal position.)
The BP/wing is designed to float behind you to help keep your body horizontal. If you take the BP/w off and let it float on the surface... it will ALWAYS float with the plate under the wing in the face down position - ALWAYS.... unless you have counter-weighted it to float differently. This simple self positioning of the BP/w is the same natural design which causes it to push you forward (face plant) into the water.

Only proper weight trimming corrects the BP/w problem... which as I said is typically corrected by you experienced guys and gals... but not so by the untrained newbie.

 

[Jimmer]

The BP/wing is designed to float behind you to help keep your body horizontal. If you take the BP/w off and let it float on the surface... it will ALWAYS float with the plate under the wing in the face down position - ALWAYS.... unless you have counter-weighted it to float differently. This simple self positioning of the BP/w is the same natural design which causes it to push you forward (face plant) into the water.

If I toss my bp/w in the water with steel tanks, it floats bp up ALWAYS. I've helped with new divers with back inflate BC's regular bc's, BP/W and we always tell them to swim on their back and none of them have ever had a problem.

 

[Oxy]

I'm not yet a diver and have no experience with these "new" contraptions AND
I've only had a BP/W on in the LDS But I am capable of understanding simple physics.
A buoyant device sandwiched between 2 heavy objects, Air in said device rising to the topmost portion leaving the remainder to hang below.
The diver with weights and BP on one side and the tank on the other.
The reference to a "face plant" would involve an over inflated wing AND a sleeping diver.
If you are not happy with releasing a little air, try bringing your legs (more positive) up in front of you and lean back a little. "Not Rocket Science"
But then this whole issue is "transitional" and a very small part of diving. If you wear a jacket style and stop swimming do you suddenly pop up right? Or if wearing a back-inflate and peddle to right yourself, do you fall like a domino if you stop peddling?
Like I have said, I am not yet certified, have never even had a demo dive BUT.
I have researched my options and although a nap while waiting for my turn to get on the boat seems nice. I believe I will be happier with a basic BP/W as I plan to spend more time under water where most creatures seem to live in a horizontal world.

 

[scubafool]

I can see a panicky diver, while trying to stay afloat at the surface, over inflating the wing and getting their face pushed in the water. Learning to surface float on your back will solve that whole problem, but hey.

However, the whole thing about more protection from getting slashed on a wreck while penetrating in low or no viz situations still has me scratching my head. Which jacket BC will mount a set of doubles, much less hold them steady on your back?

Or do you think it acceptable to penetrate wrecks in low viz with singles?