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We spotted a couple of Torpedo californica (Pacific electric rays) on the wreck of the Valiant - just outside the Marine Park - this past Saturday.

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Outstanding shot! I promise not to dive without my video camera again!
 
We spotted a couple of Torpedo californica (Pacific electric rays) on the wreck of the Valiant - just outside the Marine Park - this past Saturday.

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Um, I hate to tell you but the one on top (although containing electrified appendages) is not a Pacific electric ray... only the one on the bottom. Just teasing of course. Good to see you Sunday.
 
I think they come back into the shallows this time of year to feast on squid. Only problem is, we haven't had any significant (or even minor) squid runs on Catalina's leeward coast in the last two years.
 
Tampico_Ed, I've actually heard of divers who have petted these torpedo rays without receiving a shock at all. Of course I've never tried that! I guess if you approached them slowly and in an unthreatening manner they might accept human contact... although I certainly don't recommend it!
 
Tampico_Ed, I've actually heard of divers who have petted these torpedo rays without receiving a shock at all. Of course I've never tried that! I guess if you approached them slowly and in an unthreatening manner they might accept human contact... although I certainly don't recommend it!

I'm respectful of torpedo rays, especially when solo, since they can potentially temporarily incapacitate a diver.

Still, drbill's supposition is true, based on my limited experience with several torpedo rays. I've found that the torpedo ray can be approached slowly, photographed fairly closely and even touched, but likewise, I wouldn't recommend others do it. The unpredictable animals will occasionally take flight toward the source of harassment and even flare upward with wings open in a typical attack posture.

A couple interesting links and quotes follow.

Dave C

Electrogenesis in Torpedo Rays

The current density is greatest directly above or below the ray's electric organs. When a foraging torpedo ray detects prey it therefore swims forward and upward, exposing its ventral surface towards the fish while emitting low-frequency voltage pulses. The currents passing through the victim's body excite its nerves and muscles, stunning it and immobilizing it, whereupon the torpedo descends over it and consumes it while continuing to emit pulses.
It is well known that a large T. nobiliana can deliver a painful and stunning shock to an adult human being. Aside from the obvious life-threatening aspects of being disoriented underwater, can the shock be fatal? The lowest threshold for cardiac arrest or ventricular fibrillation in a human occurs for current following a left-hand-to-either-foot path through the body. In an underwater environment the total body impedance (skin plus internal) for this current path is certainly no less than 500 ohms. A 100 V pulse, which is larger than average for nobiliana, would therefore generate a maximum body current of 200 mA. Thresholds for physiological effects induced by electric currents are functions of both their magnitudes and durations. For the average adult experiencing a 200 mA left-hand-to-either-foot current, the threshold for muscular contractions causing breathing difficulties is approximately 50 ms, while the threshold for ventricular fibrillation is about 400 ms. For a 220 V pulse (maximum observed) the breathing-difficulty and fibrillation thresholds are about 20 ms and 200 ms respectively. But the voltage pulses generated by nobiliana have a duration of only 5 ms. Because of the statistically-derived nature of the above thresholds, it would not be surprising if the electric shock from a large Atlantic torpedo were to induce (temporary) breathing difficulties in some individuals. Ventricular fibrillation or cardiac arrest, however, are extremely unlikely.

The Ten Foot Stop: Torpedo Ray Injury

Frequent correspondent, Jim Grier calls our attention to an interesting posting on one of the boards about a torpedo ray injury. This was posted on the 'scubadiving' board by "TexasTechdiver" with a follow-up posting. It is an interesting account of a commercial diver who was inspecting a pipeline looking for a small oil leak. He called that he was in trouble, felt something like electricity and shock, then became silent. The video that he was wearing showed a stationary sea floor so the rescue diver immediately went down and retrieved the unconscious diver who had thrown up in his Kirby-Morgan hardhat. He was placed in the chamber and the dive ship unmoored and set sail for the coast, in order to decompress. They stabilized him and he was coherent but didn't know what had happened.

The video was retrieved from the boat and reviewed, and showed, moments before the diver lost consciousness, the approach of a sizeable torpedo ray. The sound indicated four separate electrical discharges from the ray that knocked the diver cold. He was lucky to be in a surface supplied hardhat rig, because on SCUBA he would be dead.

The diver is OK. He's getting an extensive workup looking for possible reasons why the extreme reaction to the electrical shocks. Everyone agrees he's very fortunate to be alive, and that the reaction on the dive crew to the incident was 100%. It's nice when things work out. It is thought that the reasons for the attack was that it was night and the ray was attracted to the diver's helmet light.
 
Sometimes they don't shock you 'cuz the *juice* is used up. Hee hee.

I once drained a smallish Atlantic torpedo rays' power by having successive undergraduates pet it over a three hour period. It sucked for the first few people who got zapped pretty good... thank goodness for macho male students. :D
 
Sometimes they don't shock you 'cuz the *juice* is used up. Hee hee.

I once drained a smallish Atlantic torpedo rays' power by having successive undergraduates pet it over a three hour period. It sucked for the first few people who got zapped pretty good... thank goodness for macho male students. :D

That's a riot! I no longer have to rationalize my mild harassment of torpedo rays! :D

How about a few questions to a real scientist?

When I've used a flounder spear to gently stroke a torpedo ray's back in the areas of charge generation, I've noticed the flesh ripple rapidly in waves.

Was it discharging electricity at that time, do you think?

I think I read in a study, which I can't find anymore, that the torpedo ray's charge is significantly lower during daytime than nighttime. Do you know if that's true?

Were your students using wetsuit gloves? Would you expect drygloves and drysuit to provide substantial protection from the electrical charge?

Feel free to decline answering for liability reasons.... ;)

Dave C
 

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