Gue tech 1 vs Iantd courses

[Spoon]

There's also the matter of pace.

I like the IANTD approach of teaching you in smaller steps. For example, you learn the deco protocols so you can go out and get in the dives with the basic gear before making it all complicated by going deep, dealing with more gasses, more stages and incurring big deco obligations while you're still on a learning curve. I personally think it's a good idae to start with tek nitrox and short 15 or 20 min hangs.

Everyone's different but I like to build these things up gradually. Learning too much in one go can mean that it takes longer before you're experience level catches up with the training.

R..

talk about the effects of multi-tasking on stress

 

[grazie42]

I think that IANTD standards are a bit more flexible than what your instructor is saying...

Even the IANTD Trimix Diver (pg 57, IANTD standards...which, will let you dive tmx to 330ft) says that you need all the courses you listed OR EQUIVALENT. And enough dives/competence to satisfy the instructor that you can handle that level of training.

It seems to me that if your instructor is willing to teach you gue tech1 or whatever the gue course is called, it should be no problem to just find the IANTD equivalent, give you the "same" class and just have you pay for his time and the costs for whatever certs you´ve earned...WITHOUT violating IANTD standards...

I´m not an instructor (obviously) but I have done something similar and this seems to me (from speaking with friends) to be the norm rather than the exception with IANTD. Techtraining, IMO, should be about mentoring anyway (which seems to be the way you´re heading with your instructor) so why should you or your instructor care if "time X" is spent in adv nitrox, rec. trimix, trimix or whatever other course name you find...at the end of your training, he can just look at what level you´re at, mail in your stats to IANTD for the correct course and you´re done and charge you what he needs. All this requires a level of trust (so that you don´t get screwed) but so does the training so I don´t see the problem...

Of course you could do this (I would think) with gue as well but if you want a IANTD cert then you shouldn´t let the "course structure" stand in your or the instructors way...

Just my 2 cents...

 

[Spoon]

I think that IANTD standards are a bit more flexible than what your instructor is saying...

Even the IANTD Trimix Diver (pg 57, IANTD standards...which, will let you dive tmx to 330ft) says that you need all the courses you listed OR EQUIVALENT. And enough dives/competence to satisfy the instructor that you can handle that level of training.

It seems to me that if your instructor is willing to teach you gue tech1 or whatever the gue course is called, it should be no problem to just find the IANTD equivalent, give you the "same" class and just have you pay for his time and the costs for whatever certs you´ve earned...WITHOUT violating IANTD standards...

I´m not an instructor (obviously) but I have done something similar and this seems to me (from speaking with friends) to be the norm rather than the exception with IANTD. Techtraining, IMO, should be about mentoring anyway (which seems to be the way you´re heading with your instructor) so why should you or your instructor care if "time X" is spent in adv nitrox, rec. trimix, trimix or whatever other course name you find...at the end of your training, he can just look at what level you´re at, mail in your stats to IANTD for the correct course and you´re done and charge you what he needs. All this requires a level of trust (so that you don´t get screwed) but so does the training so I don´t see the problem...

Of course you could do this (I would think) with gue as well but if you want a IANTD cert then you shouldn´t let the "course structure" stand in your or the instructors way...

Just my 2 cents...

interesting point bro and i agree with you. the only reason my mentor (instructor) was suggesting the gue tech1 way is that i get lo learn all of the iantd courses at my skill level without having to pass the hierarchy of courses if done the Iantd way. He also is telling me that i would save a fistful of cash if i chose the gue way since its pretty much all in one.

in the end i will be making the choice. i just dont like the structure of the iantd ladder becasue to take rec trimix you MUST HAVE all the necessary prerequisites. i pretty much answered my own question and as of now im leaning towards gue.

 

[Xizang]

Spoon - You got to meet Dave Ross at PG right? Did you get to talk to him about it?

 

[boomx5]

I've never taken an IANTD course, but I did go the GUE route. I would suggest doing the Tech1 in 2 parts. That way, you can continue to go out and build your experience in the system over a number of dives, insead of jumping right into Tech1 and getting beaten up.

 

[limeyx]

interesting point bro and i agree with you. the only reason my mentor (instructor) was suggesting the gue tech1 way is that i get lo learn all of the iantd courses at my skill level without having to pass the hierarchy of courses if done the Iantd way. He also is telling me that i would save a fistful of cash if i chose the gue way since its pretty much all in one.

in the end i will be making the choice. i just dont like the structure of the iantd ladder becasue to take rec trimix you MUST HAVE all the necessary prerequisites. i pretty much answered my own question and as of now im leaning towards gue.

if you really only have 51-100 dives then you might want to get some more experience before doing those courses -- that seems pretty early for a tech1 course. Sometimes the hierarchy is there for a *reason*

That said, I would go for the GUE course over any other agency any day (although I do have PADI nitrox -- taught mostly the GUE way

 

[Spoon]

Spoon - You got to meet Dave Ross at PG right? Did you get to talk to him about it?

yeah i met dave ross while i was at puerto gallera. havent talked to him about my plans though..

 

[Spoon]

if you really only have 51-100 dives then you might want to get some more experience before doing those courses -- that seems pretty early for a tech1 course. Sometimes the hierarchy is there for a *reason*

That said, I would go for the GUE course over any other agency any day (although I do have PADI nitrox -- taught mostly the GUE way

was planning to take it but not taking it yet. im taking it when i have about 150 dives. and at the rate i dive i should hit that number by next year

 

[limeyx]

was planning to take it but not taking it yet. im taking it when i have about 150 dives. and at the rate i dive i should hit that number by next year

then I guess you're proceeding much quicker than I am. I just hit 100 and am not ready to hit doubles yet, let alone take on a tech1 course. I have at least 6 months more in the singles, then I will be working up to rec triox before doing tech1.

I'd be interested to see how it goes for you

 

[SeanQ]

A GUE course will not teach “deep air” diving. If GUE really have their way, there won’t be any air diving at all.

So now would be a good time to invest in a Helium company?


Another thing you can do is talk to your instructor and ask what they think about doing some Nitrox courses in the meantime. This could allow you a headstart on the gas theory and allow you to push your limits without venturing too far into tech until you gain more experience. I don't think you have anything to worry about with Tech1, Mr First-Time-DIR-F-Passer.