Gue tech 1 vs Iantd courses

[Spoon]

guys i am planning to do tri mix diving and tech in the near future. my instructor from the dir-f courses suggested that i take it with gue (tech 1) since it offers more than a couple of courses all rolled into one. No biases since hes also an Iantd instructor

if i decide to take it with IANTd i will have to have all these prerequisites: deep diver, Advanced Eanx, technical diver and finally the trimix course to be able to get certified to dive with trimix.

the Gue tech1 course will bypass all of those prerequisites and generally teach all of them in one. Pretty confused on what road to take.

 

[JeffG]

the Gue tech1 course will bypass all of those prerequisites and generally teach all of them in one. Pretty confused on what road to take.

Looks pretty straight forward to me.

 

[Spoon]

Looks pretty straight forward to me.

i took the Dir-f courses as a foundation and am quite happy but when it comes to tech im not quite sure with the gue road, im just not that informed. is Gue as a certifying agency accredited and recognized all over the world? some dive resorts in my country do not honor gue.

 

[StSomewhere]

The knock on IANTD is the number of courses you have to take, although the instructor has almost total flexibility when it comes to combining courses to customize training for you. I think the GUE program is maybe designed from the ground up to be a holistic course, where IANTD allows you to piece together the parts you need as you need them. Really two different approaches. I'm doing a combined IANTD Deep + Adv Nitrox this winter, mostly because the instructor is highly recommended due to how "skills oriented" his class is.

As to dive resorts honoring GUE or not, a tech outfit should know what GUE (or IANTD or TDI) is about. OTOH, I wouldn't think you should need a GUE Tech2 card to do boat dives from some resort. Your OW or AOW card should cover that.

 

[Spoon]

The knock on IANTD is the number of courses you have to take, although the instructor has almost total flexibility when it comes to combining courses to customize training for you. I think the GUE program is maybe designed from the ground up to be a holistic course, where IANTD allows you to piece together the parts you need as you need them. Really two different approaches. I'm doing a combined IANTD Deep + Adv Nitrox this winter, mostly because the instructor is highly recommended due to how "skills oriented" his class is.

As to dive resorts honoring GUE or not, a tech outfit should know what GUE (or IANTD or TDI) is about. OTOH, I wouldn't think you should need a GUE Tech2 card to do boat dives from some resort. Your OW or AOW card should cover that.

good point. i however am looking at the end result which is to do deep, trimix, decompression dives. The tech 1 course of gue addressed all of this because the gue tech course will teach: diving deep on air, advanced nitrox, trimix and obligatory deco stops. basically everything else the IANTD courses combined in one.

might be difficult absorbing all that in a one week seminar as opposed to taking the many different courses in IANTD at my convenience.

 

[StSomewhere]

A good IANTD instructor will either combine that Deep class with Adv Nitrox or Adv Rec Trimix or tech Trimix or something. They should not be doing Deep Air anymore. IMO. (No one should, anyone who doesn't understand that should reread Last Dive.)

One thing I noticed about GUE's current procedures is that they allow their Tech I to be broken up into Rec Triox for three days and then finish Tech I for three days. No idea if that's just a Florida thing or if they also do that in Singapore/Phillippines/etc.

 

[Spoon]

One thing I noticed about GUE's current procedures is that they allow their Tech I to be broken up into Rec Triox for three days and then finish Tech I for three days. No idea if that's just a Florida thing or if they also do that in Singapore/Phillippines/etc.

yes they do that in the philippines as well. first 3 days triox followed by tech. in Iantds Advanced Nitrox they give you a brief lesson in Rec Triox but i dont know if thats Only done here in the Philippines

 

[Vie]

The tech 1 course of gue addressed all of this because the gue tech course will teach: diving deep on air, advanced nitrox, trimix and obligatory deco stops. basically everything else the IANTD courses combined in one.

A GUE course will not teach “deep air” diving. If GUE really have their way, there won’t be any air diving at all.

 

[Spoon]

A GUE course will not teach “deep air” diving. If GUE really have their way, there won’t be any air diving at all.

well not certainly the course but my instructor was going to give that to me for free since he also teaches the deep diving for Iantd as well.

you are correct to say that if gue would have their way they would do all their dives with some triox.trimix. i remember when i was taking the dir course my instructor kept rambling that if helium were cheaper hed use it in all his dives

 

[Diver0001]

There's also the matter of pace.

I like the IANTD approach of teaching you in smaller steps. For example, you learn the deco protocols so you can go out and get in the dives with the basic gear before making it all complicated by going deep, dealing with more gasses, more stages and incurring big deco obligations while you're still on a learning curve. I personally think it's a good idae to start with tek nitrox and short 15 or 20 min hangs.

Everyone's different but I like to build these things up gradually. Learning too much in one go can mean that it takes longer before you're experience level catches up with the training.

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