GUE gear config

[mariosx]

I have read so many posts that when people ask about improving their skills there is a flood of "you should take Fundies it will improve your skills more than any class". So now we have somebody who is taking the class to improve their skills and you are stating they should have their skills exceptional before taking the class? Which one is it?

I know many many people in GUE that will disagree with this take. All instructors that I know of, recommend taking GUE-F the sooner possible.

 

[flymolo]

you don’t need to spend money on a GUE class to be able to do those. There are plenty of You Tube videos out there that demonstrate those skills.

Ah yes, the YouTube school of diving

 

[lexvil]

This seems an extremely problematic reasoning, justifying an irrational and toxic response, through the means of attempting to explain it. It's like saying "So if people are wondering why schoolshooters take a rifle and kill 4th graders, it's because they don't get enough female attention and strugle with parental relationships". Yeah, sure, but the main reason is that they are mentaly derranged people.

Just because some vocal members of the early "DIR" community existed early in the years, that don't even were members of GUE or are members of the GUE currently, justifying and dismissing standards and approached, is extremely emotional driven, and personally I would prefer to never be a buddy of such diver that puts their feefees above their and thus also my safety.

Finally, all this "attitude" towards GUE, is not towards GUE but GUE divers, unless if all the people you refer to personally spam gue's mailbox. And I don't understand why any GUE diver should show any understanding towards such toxicity just because they tried to improve themselves, which originates from a period that many of them might not even be born yet.

You are making Eric’s case pretty well

 

[mariosx]

You are making Eric’s case pretty well

I wish you could find a single sentence of mine implying that GUE's way is the only way, harassing others, calling them strokes, etc.
I insisted only on the superiority IN MY OPINION of the long hose in open water, which is not only a GUE thing (since my first OW dive I dive with BP/W and long hose thanks to SDI), and I also used very specific arguments that have yet to be argued to a satisfactory degree for months now.

I would like to let me know in which exact sentences you think I make Eric's case, otherwise you just obviously promote toxicity and harassment yourself towards fellow divers that did not participated or even endorsed these ancient wars.

P/S: I just got my first drysuit training from PADI on Monday. I guess I will start "harassing" myself from now on... ROFL.

 

[Nemrod]

I do not think we need to fight DIR wars all over again. It was as far as I can tell fought to a draw . In my recent month long journey to dive Florida from one end to the other as I usually do each summer, I again did see a handful of wings and back plates and GUE/DIR type divers. And all got along amicably. I saw more rebreathers than wings and long hoses! Imagine that! And while the OPs question was a bit of a troll it has a legitimate aspect to it, does taking a basic level GUE course provide benefits to a non-technical diver with no such aspirations and I again say yes. If I had an instructor I could get to and a buddy wanting to do the same or asking me to do it with him, sure, why the heck not. How much will I learn new after 44 years of actively a diver, beats me, probably more than I would think I bet. When I did my SDI Advanced Diver Solo course, did I learn anything new, not really but it was fun and the practice and reinforcement of habits was worth the effort plus I got this pretty and cool looking card! Card collecting aside, slap that GUE card down on the table and most dive ops will immediately back off the nanny throttle. That alone can be gold.

I like certain aspects of the no personal preference concept and standardization and skills based on that standardization. Some of my dive compadres I meet up with look like an underwater zoo (polite saying a CF!).

James

 

[Eric Sedletzky]

This seems an extremely problematic reasoning, justifying an irrational and toxic response, through the means of attempting to explain it. It's like saying "So if people are wondering why schoolshooters take a rifle and kill 4th graders, it's because they don't get enough female attention and strugle with parental relationships". Yeah, sure, but the main reason is that they are mentaly derranged people.

Just because some vocal members of the early "DIR" community existed early in the years, that don't even were members of GUE or are members of the GUE currently, justifying and dismissing standards and approached, is extremely emotional driven, and personally I would prefer to never be a buddy of such diver that puts their feefees above their and thus also my safety.

Finally, all this "attitude" towards GUE, is not towards GUE but GUE divers, unless if all the people you refer to personally spam gue's mailbox. And I don't understand why any GUE diver should show any understanding towards such toxicity just because they tried to improve themselves, which originates from a period that many of them might not even be born yet.

I don’t think you’re understanding the basic facts of why it is the way it is. I’m not making this up.
People ARE emotional animals. That is one of the things that drives us and sets us apart from more instinctive animals. Advertisers know it very well, how to make people wrap their heads around a product and convince people that they will really like the product, feel good, be better, whatever.
You get one chance at a first impression.
That’s why the whole DIR/GUE topic is so tragic.
It WAS a great idea (for some), but marketed by all the wrong people.
IMO opinion, their equipment configurations are also a little problematic for how the current dive industry is set up. They need to become more inclusive of gear if they want a chance of really going mainstream.
When they said “We think how we dive is great for all diving”, they didn’t think about the part about all the dive shops selling all the different types of gear to stay alive, and manufacturers making all sorts of gear that divers all over the world enjoy and use yet it’s not DIR compliant.
If the entire dive industry went 100% DIR compliant it would crash and burn in a matter of weeks.
This is why GUE/DIR has been, and will remain a fringe organization.

 

[grantctobin]

i think she's saying it's easy to debate GUE configuration vs. non-GUE and people sometimes get real damn passionate on their stance lmao

She's a big girl, I have no doubt she'll happily upchuck any and all of her opinions for those that ask nicely.

 

[mariosx]

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I am in GUE to enjoy a recreational activity in my spare time. I could not care less for what happened 20-30 years ago. I have other things in life to occupy my time, and feel no need to self-identify through an organization and "own" any of its history. I paid for high quality instruction which I received. Now, people that don't have anything going for them could overfixate on 30 years old events that bare no effect on the newly trained GUE divers and maintain any toxicity existed.

 

[lexvil]

So... once again a general comment that quotes no specific sentence of mine. Good to know that are just in for spreading toxicity to fellow divers. Thanks for making me aware so I know not to pay attention and attempt to find a meaning in your posts.

I am in GUE to enjoy a recreational activity in my spare time. I could not care less for what happened 20-30 years ago. I have other things in life to occupy my time, and feel no need to self-identify through an organization and "own" any of its history. I paid for high quality instruction which I received. Now, people that don't have anything going for them could overfixate on 30 years old events that bare no effect on the newly trained GUE divers and maintain any toxicity existed.

If you click on my picture you’ll find the ignore button, click away.

 

[mariosx]

I don’t think you’re understanding the basic facts of why it is the way it is. I’m not making this up.
People ARE emotional animals. That is one of the things that drives us and sets us apart from more instinctive animals. Advertisers know it very well, how to make people wrap their heads around a product and convince people that they will really like the product, feel good, be better, whatever.
You get one chance at a first impression.
That’s why the whole DIR/GUE topic is so tragic.
It WAS a great idea (for some), but marketed by all the wrong people.

I get the point, but yet humans are displaying cognitive capabilities that most animals not. There are emotions that are net positive, and emotions that net negative and affect the freedom and the experience of other people. Fundamentaly, for me, an adult that cannot control their spite and load all their accumulated insecurities to 20-30 years old divers that are enjoying a recreational activity are best case immature and in the average case pieces of sh.. cake.

People have emotions but it is not ok to kill your ex because they decided to leave you, or rape a random person because you feel sexual desire towards them, or kill random 8years old students because you feel unjusted by society.

IMO opinion, their equipment configurations are also a little problematic for how the current dive industry is set up. They need to become more inclusive of gear if they want a chance of really going mainstream.

But they don't want to go mainstream, to my understanding. And most people in GUE I know, including myself, like the strict standards with only few exceptions.

When they said “We think how we dive is great for all diving”, they didn’t think about the part about all the dive shops selling all the different types of gear to stay alive, and manufacturers making all sorts of gear that divers all over the world enjoy and use yet it’s not DIR compliant.

Yeap, and that's the main reason I like GUE as a non-profit organization. It maximizes safety and doesn't care about circumstances. You either tik all the boxes and can dive the "DIR", or you don't and you are on your own. GUE thankfuly for now, cares more for the divers than the business.

If the entire dive industry went 100% DIR compliant it would crash and burn in a matter of weeks.
This is why GUE/DIR has been, and will remain a fringe organization.

Yeap, but nobody said ever that the goal of GUE is to be more than a small scuba organization. Smaller scale guarantees the incredible uniform quality control which is by far the first priority for GUE.


You speak as if GUE wants/should expand, but this is not a concern for GUE.