Greenpeace None Too Happy with Mighty O Sinking...

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trigfunctions:
According to the EPA Region 4 website, the Navy estimated it would cost $9 Million to remove the 700 lbs of PCBs (page 5 of the second link below).

That sounds like a lot, but the ship is estimated to bring $11+ Million per year to the local economy.

So, the question is, should the Navy spend the $9 Million to completely eliminate the PCB threat, or should it risk it? And, what should we do with similar ships in the future.

I prefer to err on the side of caution.

http://www.epa.gov/region4/air/lead/PCBWebPage.htm
http://www.epa.gov/region4/air/lead/documents/oriskanyrtc.pdf

Trigfunctions,

I agree with you but have to ask: where do you put them after you eliminate them from the boat??? By me, they are going to dredge the Hudson River and store the pcbs in plastic containers on land. Now, are they safer there where they can leak into the water table? Are they safe in your backyard?

And I truly do agree with you... I don't think our government should "cost-cut" when it comes to something like that. I mean, where does it end? One boat with 700 pounds now... 50 boats with 1000 pounds each later?

Jen
 
Nemrod:
Rather than worrying over a tiny amount of PCBs that will leeech into the environment over the next couple of hundred years why not instead call your congressman/woman and ask him about all those condos on the beach, where is the free beach access, all the concrete rubble and PCBs and all sorts of contaminates that go into the environment when the inevitable hurricane knocks all that crap down. Howabout worrying over the sewage and trash all those condos cause and the drain on the environment they cause and the habitat they displace and their ugliness.

A few ships sunk here and there are not the problem, the slaughter of our natural envionment by realestate developers and graft taking politicians is the problem.

Last I checked, the United Startes may have the largest Navy but certainly not the only Navy. Don't you suppose China, Britain, France, Russia have a Navy? Do you think their ships are environmentally friendly or some such as that? What about all those cruise ships y'all like so much, where does their garbage and waste go? and where do those ships go when they are done with them?

Has anyone here not noticed the wholesale destruction and all the horrible trash and pollutants that resulted from Katrina, much of it a result of over development of the coastline. We can do something about this by not letting the government subsidize over development with insurance and guarantees. Do people really need a home on our beach, do the condo and casino developers really provide a positve and lasting benifit to the community? Stop the insanity!
N
What he said!!!!
Tired of the land grabs and condos. All that it means to me is higher taxes and insuance more restrictions on how I live my own life on own land.

But what would I know I'm just one of those damn old crackers that fight progress.

Msgt, USAF, Retired

I've been appolgising to all my neighbors ever since I moved back to good ol' Wausau FL. Seams that when I Joined the AF and headed off to save the world from evil doers, that I must have left the gate open for all these damnedyankees (one word) and a misplaced Texan They rushed in and turned the whole state into a giant Disney Land where all the residents live in gated communities and scorn the natives as being backwards and anti progress
 
BarryNL:
So, it's a natural occurence that just happens to coincide with the industrial age and the rise in CO2 just happens to match the amount of CO2 which fossil fuel usage is pumping out.

Gosh, what are the odds...

The odds?. 12,000 years ago mean sea level was 115 feet lower than it is today. 8,000 years ago it was 40 feet lower. I don't see how you can claim global warming and the rise in sea level coincide with the industrial age. Unless you know something the rest of us don't???

Hey, Aqua, pass me one of them Manatee steaks.... :)
 
Mr.X:
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Additionally, as much as Greenpeace and Sea Shepards may irk people, they ultimately have everyone's best intentions at heart. If anything, they are bold enough to take a stance. I did as a long time ago, far away Greenpeacer. I met with the Japanese. Trust me, back in the 70's they did not give a **** about anyone else's feelings. Hostility, or being ignored was all that I was met with...even while practicing diplomacy. Did we save the environment through diplomacy? Not much at the time. In time Greenpeace came to understand that bad PR blanketing the airwaves and hitting the wallet are the most effective means. While I cannot condone some of the more questionable moves they make - I do appreciate their original intent.


That is laughable ...Greenpeace only has their pocketbooks at heart. The environment is a very big business. Here in SoCal you see the the Neuvo Riche of La Jolla , Laguna Hills and Beverly Hills desperately claiming their love for the enviroment while they build sprawling mansions on sprawling estates so they can park their fuel efficent Hummers, Bentlys, Landrovers et al on the way to their private jets and boats...

Please the only true conservationists are Ducks Unlimited and the frecken NRA-sadly
 
There's billions of tons of uranium in the oceans. What poses more of a threat -- that uranium or the slow leaching of 700 lbs of PCBs from the Oriskany?
 
lamont:
There's billions of tons of uranium in the oceans. What poses more of a threat -- that uranium or the slow leaching of 700 lbs of PCBs from the Oriskany?
yeah


now i didnt read all of this..
way too many words...
but sounds like there just looking for a excuse to *****

its a reef, good for fishes..so shut up and be happy...
 
Skull:
That is laughable ...Greenpeace only has their pocketbooks at heart. The environment is a very big business. Here in SoCal you see the the Neuvo Riche of La Jolla , Laguna Hills and Beverly Hills desperately claiming their love for the enviroment while they build sprawling mansions on sprawling estates so they can park their fuel efficent Hummers, Bentlys, Landrovers et al on the way to their private jets and boats...

Please the only true conservationists are Ducks Unlimited and the frecken NRA-sadly

You are comparing the newly rich to the environmentalists of Greenpeace. How are the two similar? Being a former Californian, I do understand the mentality of folks who advocate environmentalism, while doing the exact opposite. So what are you saying? Real Estate Sales and Development is not an offshoot of environmentalism. X
 
Mr.X:
You are comparing the newly rich to the environmentalists of Greenpeace. How are the two similar? Being a former Californian, I do understand the mentality of folks who advocate environmentalism, while doing the exact opposite. So what are you saying? Real Estate Sales and Development is not an offshoot of environmentalism. X

Golly Mr X who do you think funds all of these organizations? The hard working joe in Chula Vista, Gary Indiana, McKeesport Pa. ElPaso Tx??? When Greenpeace has a fund raiser they go to the Upper East Side of Manhatten, La Jolla, Beverly Hills, Sausalito, Senoma ...and who lives there the Nuevo Riche. And lets not forget who sits on the boards of Exxon, Shell, BP, Chevron ...and then contribute greatly to Greenpeace at their fundraisers. Mr X it's a two card monte game for suckers...Greenpeace and the Serria Club and PETA are all fronts for the rich to limit your use of the resources ...drive up the cost of exploration and land values on property you will never be able to afford and then force congress to set aside land to the rich i.e. the BLM so you will never have a shot at purchasing that land.

I wont go into detail cause it is useless ...just keep sending in your $100.00 contribution. So the oil and mineral companies have exclusive rights to the lAnd set aside to the BLM.

At the very least with DU (I am not a member nor the NRA) you get the use of the land they set aside for conservation.

As to the Mighty O ... its a great resting place for a vessel which served our country greatly ....
 
Skull:
Golly Mr X who do you think funds all of these organizations? The hard working joe in Chula Vista, Gary Indiana, McKeesport Pa. ElPaso Tx??? When Greenpeace has a fund raiser they go to the Upper East Side of Manhatten, La Jolla, Beverly Hills, Sausalito, Senoma ...and who lives there the Nuevo Riche. And lets not forget who sits on the boards of Exxon, Shell, BP, Chevron ...and then contribute greatly to Greenpeace at their fundraisers. Mr X it's a two card monte game for suckers...Greenpeace and the Serria Club and PETA are all fronts for the rich to limit your use of the resources ...drive up the cost of exploration and land values on property you will never be able to afford and then force congress to set aside land to the rich i.e. the BLM so you will never have a shot at purchasing that land.

I wont go into detail cause it is useless ...just keep sending in your $100.00 contribution. So the oil and mineral companies have exclusive rights to the lAnd set aside to the BLM.

At the very least with DU (I am not a member nor the NRA) you get the use of the land they set aside for conservation.

As to the Mighty O ... its a great resting place for a vessel which served our country greatly ....


Again, you are extrapolating. Without knowing the direct, or primary funding streams of these organizations you make inferences to "supposed" connections to big business. I'm sure if you dig hard enough you can find a dirty connection. Money, back room deals are standard fare wherever there is an opportunity for personal gain, or profit.

If you see contradictions in life do something about it. You like DU. Support em'. Just don't blag on...

I will continue to do what I have done. Educate, support and try to put in a dollar where I think it'll be best used. If anything, I try to invest in the future - kids. Some of the banter on this thread indicates that some folks do not get it, but live for the moment while trivializing environmental factors of great importance. In the end it's about what you believe in.

Am I here to do some good, or am I here to get what I can? Done X
 
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