fundies in the north east?

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Riverrat,
You're damned right, $10 is dirt cheep for instruction. You can't really ask for more.
 
$10 an hour per student is what I calculated my Fundies instructor made for the class. I won't work for that much!

I think it would be splendid if everybody could get in the water with a GUE instructor prior to taking Fundies, but it isn't always (or even often) practical, as there are so few. The next best thing is to get in the water with some DIR divers in your area, if there are any. A good way to find them is to find the shop through which your local Fundies classes are given.

And if there are no local Fundies classes, and no local DIR divers you can find, then the 5thD-x videos are as good a resource as I know for getting started.
 
$10 an hour per student is what I calculated my Fundies instructor made for the class. I won't work for that much!

The issue with the dir-f as discussed isn't about how much money per student anyone makes. The issue is the bugs in the class, and quite frankly for $500.00 a head, which is a lot of money, people deserve a class of individuals in the same ball park skill wise. You don't have to go any further than this thread to see the frustration of the students (Tech, Cave) to see this is a very real problem.

$40.00 to $60.00 (4-6 students) an hour to teach a dir-f - trim, buoyancy, team skills, some basic math etc is a gravy job that doesn't include doing 7 years in university.

I personally would do that all day long if our area would support such a thing.

BTW Lynn, your profession is simply worth more than dive instruction, so I'd hope you wouldn't work for $10 an hour. (But maybe you do work for 40-60 an hour).

I agree with you all that having an instructor pre-qualify everyone for a dir-f would be a workable idea, but I think we are now back to the idea that really the agency should be addressing this, since the class is touted as a no-prerequisite, do it ASAP event.

Good thread folks. I think I am digging the 'new' DIR forum since there has been some control laid down.
 
I agree with you all that having an instructor pre-qualify everyone for a dir-f would be a workable idea, but I think we are now back to the idea that really the agency should be addressing this, since the class is touted as a no-prerequisite, do it ASAP event.

Good thread folks. I think I am digging the 'new' DIR forum since there has been some control laid down.

There's just an inherent conflict between GUE's "law of primacy" learning theory and the time and dives it takes to get proficiency. (I don't know much about teaching-learning theory).

You want people to come into DIRF like kids learning a new language. Its just so easy when you don't have ingrained habits etc. But on the other hand you need divers to have a certain "maturity", skill level and experience base to be considered ready for T1 and C1. Those are just unfortunate opposites, or students have to be reallly fast learners.

Extra moderators is a big plus here. Thank you net doc and the grand mucky mucks.
 
Since DIR is about a unified team concept, one of the first (and maybe the most painful) lessons you will learn in a GUE-F class is how important a team is to the success of any dive -- including success at the fundies level. To get the most out of your diving dollar, it would probably benefit you more to fill a class with students who are at the same level of diving. For example, if you are already experienced with drysuit diving and double tanks, it would be frustrating to find yourself in a three person team with two buddies who just purchased drysuits and doubles and haven't gotten the hang of the equipment yet. They'll be blowing their buoyancy and body positioning while you're trying to perfect kicks and work on team awareness and ascent rates. You'll enter class thinking you have enough of a solid foundation to pass and move into tech or cave training and then find yourself having time wasted that could be better spend building you or a similarly skilled team into even more solid divers.

That is not to say that if you found yourself in such a class that it would be a waste of your time, but with all there is to learn and with the quality of instruction, you'll get much more out of it if your teammates are on the same page. I'd recommend using the message boards to organize divers of similar skills and experiences and motivations. There are many additional benefits for doing that such as finding a long term training team and new dive buddies. If your interest in GUE-F is improvement of your recreational diving skills as a newbie recreational diver, and you prefer single tanks, then filling a class of six or at least one team of three would put that team on the exact same page. Any improvement in trim, buoyancy, propulsion, awareness, team skills and emergency management would be a gigantic leap from your current level. Three newbies would experience some of the same challenges and be able to relate to the follies and short-comings of their buddies. Throwing a full cave diver who wants to take Tech 1 into such a team will make it more difficult for an experienced diver to be honed to a level to which he or she is capable. Will it be done? Sure. But, if you took three cave divers who are interested in GUE technical courses, they'll probably respond well to light signals and be aware of command hand signals. With improved communication in such a team, a GUE instructor can push them farther and harder than a team who can't communicate well and fine tune them even further.

Success isn't measured by a failure, a provisional, a recreational or a technical pass, but by what you learn from the course. If you're putting in the coin and the time to learn from the best, you should try to set up with the best people at your level of diving to learn from mistakes divers at your level will make.

My suggestion would be to organize classes, especially at the fundies level, by the goals, equipment and unity of the team. Examples:
1) New recreational divers equipping in backplate and single tanks for the first time and want to find out what this DIR stuff is all about and improve skills.

2) Experienced recreational divers who want to transition to technical diving and want to start working with drysuits and doubles.

3) Highly experienced recreationonal divers and dive pros who may have experience with drysuits and doubles and want to clean up their act and start doing it right.

4) Technical divers who don't possess the fundamental skills and wish to improve.

5) Divers who want to learn to cave dive and are training for Cave 1.

6) Divers who want to learn to gas dive and are training for Tech 1.

If you can get 6 people on the same level with the same goals it will reduce frustration and improve overall enjoyment. If you can't get 6 then get 3. This way you could have a team of three technical divers looking to become cave divers getting their fair share of experience in the same class as new drysuit users who will be getting their experience.

Such team unity is the first step to long term friendships and successes.
 
After 5 pages of replies to this thread it makes me smile when I think that on another thread someone questioned me when I called the present incarnation of DIRF a monstrosity compared to what it was meant to be. A "Pre-DIRF DIRF"??? It boggles the mind.
 
There seems to be some confusion as to the purpose of Ed’s Buoyancy class. The class was never created as a “Pre-fundies” class, nor was that the intent when the class was started. The class was created to meet the needs of a couple of diver’s who were shopping around for a different instructor/dive shop than the one they were using at the time.

The class was simply created to help diver’s become better divers. GUE Fundamentals had nothing to do with that and Ed hadn’t even become a GUE instructor at that time. (He was working his way in that direction though.)

The class has evolved over the last 5 years but has never become a pre-requisite of the Fundamentals class. It has evolved based on feedback of the students, and observation of the Instructor and his assistants.

Many divers have found it to be an invaluable course to take prior to the Fundamentals class, but the majority that take the class is taking it to improve themselves without Fundamentals being the goal. The primary goal is to become a better recreational diver.

Some diver’s do decide to later take the GUE-Fundamentals class and having previously taken the buoyancy class, enter the GUE course with some basic knowledge that allows them to focus on some of the less familiar subject matter that is introduced.

Hopefully this helps to clear the silt a little bit.

Mike
 
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