Fist time I called a dive at depth...

[s7595]

I feel your pain . her eis what happend to you .you take alook and see the dm long gone and you worry about loseing him ,your husband is close but you still have more trust in dm .as your ears take long time to clear (my does always) the dm now puts you incharge adding to your anexcity ,the low vis the depth all take there wich lends it self to being narked. to correct this from happening again . first make rule on all dives 1 meter or closer and everyone takes it slow.2 put your trust in hubby not dm.have your reg checked out to see if it needs repair .I to some times get nervous on deep dives mostly because I change buddy'sand not to sure if I need them they wil be there.

 

[wolf eel]

[2 put your trust in hubby not dm]

Hi

This is my opionon only Never here I go again.

Do your dive profile your husband will only reacte as just that your husband. He may not see clearly as you are his wife a situation could become very much out of control because of pure panic of losing some one you love. If you hire a DM make sure it was the right person for the job and do not change command half way.

The DM did not place you in control but was in control to watch both of you. Be very carefull who you hire and again if it does not look good then abort.

Does your husband have any more or less dives under his belt ?

You did the right thing completley. I think your DM also did the right thing he/she may have not discussed it fully but then nobody did. You have a responsibility to yourself and be prepared to do proper checks and do a dive profile and dive it. if your loveed one is in trouble stay out of the way as others may see clearer. And if you are more trained do what is right not as your emotions dictate.
Cheers
Derek

 

[divenut2001]

Hi

This is my opionon only Never here I go again.

Do your dive profile your husband will only reacte as just that your husband. He may not see clearly as you are his wife a situation could become very much out of control because of pure panic of losing some one you love. If you hire a DM make sure it was the right person for the job and do not change command half way.

The DM did not place you in control but was in control to watch both of you. Be very carefull who you hire and again if it does not look good then abort.

Does your husband have any more or less dives under his belt ?

You did the right thing completley. I think your DM also did the right thing he/she may have not discussed it fully but then nobody did. You have a responsibility to yourself and be prepared to do proper checks and do a dive profile and dive it. if your loveed one is in trouble stay out of the way as others may see clearer. And if you are more trained do what is right not as your emotions dictate.
Cheers
Derek

Have to disagree with you there ole buddy. If spouses are to dive together then they have to be able to help each other when in trouble. That's what buddies are for, they do not stay out of the way, they assist. Sooner or later it will be just the 2 of them and if there's a problem they'll have to deal with it with no help.

 

[wolf eel]

[If spouses are to dive together then they have to be able to help each other when in trouble. That's what buddies are for, they do not stay out of the way, they assist. Sooner or later it will be just the 2 of them and if there's a problem they'll have to deal with it with no help.][/QUOTE

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I know the buddy system well.

But we had a death here well two. The Mother went after the Daughter in a out of control decent and both lost there lives.

The point is get out of the way as people who have more experience need to be able to get in there and in the case we are talking about they had a DM as the experienced person. What was the husband too do ? If two people go for the shoulder strap of the BC it may cause other problems for the rescuee. As the husband may freak and fill the BCD. Or sink trying to think through the panic. When they are diving alone they must realy on each other but untill then as she said they must practise to the sun comes and goes several times.

Are you saying that if your wife has trouble you should punt the DM out of the way and respond as if you know what to do. They are not buddies anymore they are students and they are to follow what they are taught. You are taught to get out of the way and let more experienced people help that is the rule everywhere. Unless you are the one who has the life saving skills then get in there. A doctor is not to diagnose himself because of how he may view it. Also some(most) do not look after there own family because of not being able to see clearly. And may make a mistake.
Cheers
Derek

 

[divenut2001]

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I know the buddy system well.

But we had a death here well two. The Mother went after the Daughter in a out of control decent and both lost there lives.

The point is get out of the way as people who have more experience need to be able to get in there and in the case we are talking about they had a DM as the experienced person. What was the husband too do ? If two people go for the shoulder strap of the BC it may cause other problems for the rescuee. As the husband may freak and fill the BCD. Or sink trying to think through the panic. When they are diving alone they must realy on each other but untill then as she said they must practise to the sun comes and goes several times.

Are you saying that if your wife has trouble you should punt the DM out of the way and respond as if you know what to do. They are not buddies anymore they are students and they are to follow what they are taught. You are taught to get out of the way and let more experienced people help that is the rule everywhere. Unless you are the one who has the life saving skills then get in there. A doctor is not to diagnose himself because of how he may view it. Also some(most) do not look after there own family because of not being able to see clearly. And may make a mistake.
Cheers
Derek

Reread the original post Derek, they were NOT students in a class and they were NOT with an instructor. But I doubt very seriously if her husband even thought about grabing her BC, the DM did that as a precaution. If diving by themselves they would have just ascended after calling the dive.

Regarding the tragedy you mentioned, you or I would have done the same, putting ourselves in jeapordy, regardless of who it is.

 

[wolf eel]

][Reread the original post Derek, they were NOT students in a class and they were NOT with an instructor.]

I did reread and I still say they had some one else to act as the experienced diver. I understand what you are saying but as she said they where with the n4 I guess as a guide. That person under their dive law I do believe is in control of the dive. He/She was in control of that dive.

[But I doubt very seriously if her husband even thought about grabing her BC, the DM did that as a precaution.]

thats why they dove with a more expeirenced diver to aid them if poop went wrong.

[If diving by themselves they would have just ascended after calling the dive.]

they are not allowed to under the law. They have a dive law. Same as Ontario, Canada. the law may not be the same but the idea.

[Regarding the tragedy you mentioned, you or I would have done the same, putting ourselves in jeapordy, regardless of who it is.]

Without a doubt about it. But I understand what the out come is or could be and I think it would be worth trying. As you said no matter who it is. It is a choice I chose a long time ago.

Cheers
Derek

 

[Diver0001]

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Do you have other comments?

It sounds like you descended through the green/brown without a reference. It would have been an easy matter to descend along the slope of the bottom or to put up a quick shotline for reference. I would take this as a lesson too. Descending with a reference would have solved the problem of landing much deeper than you expected and may have given you more control (not drifting) when you were sorting out your ears and would have made it less trouble to keep the group together.

R..

 

[wolf eel]

Hello
[what does "snip" mean ???]

Thanks that has made me wonder more then acouple of times !!!

 

[wolf eel]

[Reread the original post Derek, they were NOT students in a class and they were NOT with an instructor. But I doubt very seriously if her husband even thought about grabing her BC, the DM did that as a precaution. If diving by themselves they would have just ascended after calling the dive.

Regarding the tragedy you mentioned, you or I would have done the same, putting ourselves in jeapordy, regardless of who it is.]

I agree with you. I know they are not students but they are in essence as you must dive with a n4 rating or better to dive that deep. Or prove with logs that you can.

The law may not be literal law but I think it has too do with insurance and rescue costs.

Ontario is trying something like it soon Quebec already has a Provincial dive law. I think it limits where and how you can dive by your logs.

Cheers
Derek

 

[Diver0001]

Hello
[what does "snip" mean ???]

Thanks that has made me wonder more then acouple of times !!!

I cut out portions of the quote and the snip shows where. Is it confusing? I didn't realise it was confusing people. Maybe I should stop doing it.

R..