First Reg Set

[Magnus Lundstedt]

How often are you going to need this tool as a diver?

I do not own any SP regs, but tool for mount and remove hoses i need every time i travel.
When i travel i pack some first stages and some second stages together with hoses, cameras, strobes, divecomputor, torches and some other stuff in a hardshell carryon, if i don't disasemble my regsets i cannot fit everything in my case.

I also like the ability to just change out a first stage or a second if it is any problem with it.

 

[BoltSnap]

I do not own any SP regs, but tool for mount and remove hoses i need every time i travel.
When i travel i pack some first stages and some second stages together with hoses, cameras, strobes, divecomputor, torches and some other stuff in a hardshell carryon, if i don't disasemble my regsets i cannot fit everything in my case.

I also like the ability to just change out a first stage or a second if it is any problem with it.

If you don't own a SP regulator, then you don't need the special SP hose tool then.

 

[BoltSnap]

I have to agree with @ams511 on this one. ScubaPro regs are a serious choice for any serious diver. Using proprietary fittings that require special tools is a chump move. I believe ScubaPro hoses to be of extremely high quality. But, for my 4 new SP regs, I will not be using any SP hoses. If I'm on a boat somewhere and have a sudden need to take a hose off (or tighten it), I am not going to be in the position of having to find a special tool, or remember to bring one with me.

Expedition-worthy gear should be designed to maximize ease of dealing with unexpected situations in remote locations. Splined hoses that require a special tool is the opposite of that. It is not justified at all by saying that they are trying to stop incompetents from working on their own gear. If SP gear is going to have design compromises to accommodate idiots, then it would be hard to continue to take them seriously as pro-grade gear. Plus, honestly, I think unqualified people are more like to mess up their gear by doing something like using a pair of pliers on a splined hose than if you just gave them a hose with a normal nut on the end.

If this matters to you, then you get the special tool or change the hoses. For a tech. diver such as yourself, you are going to change the hoses anyways from the standard length to technical diving length hoses. It isn't an issue.

 

[Magnus Lundstedt]

If you don't own a SP regulator, then you don't need the special SP hose tool then.

I need a tool to mount/unmount the hoses i have. If i would buy a SP regulator, i would need to buy an special tool just for SP hoses for €€€.

For me that is a bad thing, it adds to the price of the regset and it adds what tools i need to bring when travel.

And i think that is something to take in cosideration before buying a new, especialy first, regset.

 

[BoltSnap]

I need a tool to mount/unmount the hoses i have. If i would buy a SP regulator, i would need to buy an special tool just for SP hoses for €€€.

For me that is a bad thing, it adds to the price of the regset and it adds what tools i need to bring when travel.

And i think that is something to take in cosideration before buying a new, especialy first, regset.

A $15 tool is an issue???

 

[Magnus Lundstedt]

A $15 tool is an issue???

$15 for the tool and $15 for postage, And another tool to fit in my already cramped case.

It can be an issue, if i chose between two in other ways comparable regulators, if i for one of them need to add cost and a special tool to bring, yes, it can be an issue, not so that i would chose another regulator that is not as good. Just if i chose between two in other ways equal regsets.

And one so simple thing as changing or moving hoses between ports on a first stage is something every diver should be competent to do by themself.

But also i am a little bit neerd when it come to tools, i have been seen changing half of all screws on a couple of my bikes just to get one or two allan-key less in the toolset for that bike.

 

[BoltSnap]

$15 for the tool and $15 for postage, And another tool to fit in my already cramped case.

It can be an issue, if i chose between two in other ways comparable regulators, if i for one of them need to add cost and a special tool to bring, yes, it can be an issue, not so that i would chose another regulator that is not as good. Just if i chose between two in other ways equal regsets.

And one so simple thing as changing or moving hoses between ports on a first stage is something every diver should be competent to do by themself.

But also i am a little bit neerd when it come to tools, i have been seen changing half of all screws on a couple of my bikes just to get one or two allan-key less in the toolset for that bike.

This is a gross exaggeration that has nothing to do with reality at all, give me a break! I have NEVER heard of this matter being an issue in my decades of diving and it has NEVER been a deterrent for people to buy SP regulators. This an argument just for an argument sake. BTW, I have been diving all over the world by myself and with groups and never, I mean NEVER, was an issue at all, none!!

BUT, this is SB and arguing for the sake of arguing isn't only a feature but also a tradition

 

[Umuntu]

This is a gross exaggeration that has nothing to do with reality at all, give me a break! I have NEVER heard of this matter being an issue in my decades of diving and it has NEVER been a deterrent for people to buy SP regulators. This an argument just for an argument sake. BTW, I have been diving all over the world by myself and with groups and never, I mean NEVER, was an issue at all, none!!

BUT, this is SB and arguing for the sake of arguing isn't only a feature but also a tradition

Like it or not, the fact that there is a bunch of experienced divers saying that, for them, it is an issue, confirms that it is an issue.

Replacing a set of hoses (which is easier than buying the tool) is quite a bit more expense to add on when buying a first set of regs. Money better spent on upgrading to Better regulators … like Apeks

 

[BoltSnap]

Like it or not, the fact that there is a bunch of experienced divers saying that, for them, it is an issue, confirms that it is an issue.

Replacing a set of hoses (which is easier than buying the tool) is quite a bit more expense to add on when buying a first set of regs. Money better spent on upgrading to Better regulators … like Apeks

Emotional statements that sounds "significant" in the beginning but they have no merit when look at a little deeper. Arguing for the sake of argument, not worth the time to go further actually.

 

[Umuntu]

Emotional statements that sounds "significant" in the beginning but they have no merit when look at a little deeper. Arguing for the sake of argument, not worth the time to go further actually.

I'm actually surprised that anyone actually defends Scubapro's vanity spline nut …

I've had a few laughs in this thread

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