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I didn't say that it was superior or it wasn't at all. I am simply stating that it isn't an issue at all and none of complaining here is warranted. If you have to change your hoses that frequently, you can get the tool to do it at a very reasonable price. Most importantly, it isn't a reason to dissuade somebody from buying a SP regulator.
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If the OP asked for a recommendation of a good first set of regulators, I would have recommended the Aeris regulators the dive shop you work for is selling on eBay. For $200 plus shipping it is a phenomenal deal on a sealed first stage plus two adjustable second stages. I know Oceanic does not get a lot of love on SB but these are still good breathers and for the price cannot be beat. The only down side is that they are not the most attractive regulators on the market.
Most tech divers start to service their own regulators for two reasons. The first is cost, it gets expensive paying $50 to $100 or so per set. The second is the peace of mind knowing that the job is done right. I service mine after a bad service experience with a shop in Miami.
As someone that collects regulators, I have many different types. It becomes a pain in the butt to have the service kits and tools needed to service them. However, this is my opinion, you believe differently and I respect yours.
My only intention is getting the OP started on the right track. I don't think there is any downside to standardizing regulators when starting out.
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I don't believe I ever tried to dissuade anyone from buying Scubapro. They make good gear and I own a lot of it. However, they do make intentional choices designed to discourage user servicing. Depending on the type of diving a person does and where he goes this could be an issue. If there is comparable gear out there from manufacturers that don't make it difficult for self-servicing then maybe they should be supported.
It wasn't you, it was somebody else in a prior comment.
Not sure this was their intent here, I can't see how you can make such claim with certainty. Even if they did, I don't see why this is so wrong. There are people that shouldn't, and I have seen many unqualified people try to do it because they think that they are smart and qualified to do it and end up ruining the equipment and/or putting themselves in a most dangerous situation (with other brands). I have seen it many times in the past and I am sure that SP has seen it many times more. For the serious ones who know what they are doing, it is simply a matter of buying a special tool for few dollars, less than the cost of MacD's happy meal, and they can do it. The more I think about it now, I think that SP is very smart in doing it assuming they are doing it for what we think they are doing for here.
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I will only buy from Scuba Clinic Tools, they are good people, make nice tools and their shipping is very reasonable .
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Not all splined nuts are the same by the way, there are at least two variants floating around. I'll explain in more detail if someone's interested.
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Not all splined nuts are the same by the way, there are at least two variants floating around. I'll explain in more detail if someone's interested.
Please, pretty please do!!
I recall @buddhasummer discussed this issue in posts #17 and #19 here
Scuba Clinic Tools Review
I would be interested if there's further feedback.
I haven't (yet) had a problem with my spline tool from Scuba Clinic Tools. It even fits my 156 adjustment knobs. Maybe they fixed this issue after budhhasummer's feedback.
I have to agree with @ams511 on this one. ScubaPro regs are a serious choice for any serious diver. Using proprietary fittings that require special tools is a chump move. I believe ScubaPro hoses to be of extremely high quality. But, for my 4 new SP regs, I will not be using any SP hoses. If I'm on a boat somewhere and have a sudden need to take a hose off (or tighten it), I am not going to be in the position of having to find a special tool, or remember to bring one with me.
Expedition-worthy gear should be designed to maximize ease of dealing with unexpected situations in remote locations. Splined hoses that require a special tool is the opposite of that. It is not justified at all by saying that they are trying to stop incompetents from working on their own gear. If SP gear is going to have design compromises to accommodate idiots, then it would be hard to continue to take them seriously as pro-grade gear. Plus, honestly, I think unqualified people are more like to mess up their gear by doing something like using a pair of pliers on a splined hose than if you just gave them a hose with a normal nut on the end.
The price is set to what the market can accept.
In scubagear the US market accept a higher price than the European market, or the competition in the European market maybe is higher.
I have done a lot of shooting and I load my own ammunition, in that market it is the opposite, everything is cheaper in the US, if i want to buy Norma casings, made in Sweden or Lapua casings made in Finland, it is cheaper for me to buy them from US and pay for shipping and customs than to buy them direct in Sweden or Finland. (About half the price) So it seams that in some cases the transportation just make it cheaper ;-)
The manufacturer sets the price to the market, not to actual costs.
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