Faking Logbook Entries Fact or Fiction?

[Fish_Whisperer]

ROFL! Naw.. I'm just a garden-variety heathen. LMAO

 

[fairybasslet]

Holly molley this almost made me cry.

Are you sure that guy isn't a troll of some kind? I'm sure you're a great guy. You just don't like SD. Go on, admit it. :05:

 

[MikeFerrara]

I'm not sure how any of this relates to real diving though. It's my understanding, and I'm not a DM, that instructors teach students on their knees because this activity is new and the student is more comfortable there? But in real diving, if your mask leaks on a wall that for all practical purposes has no bottom, you can't run down to the bottom to clear it.

Exactly. Students may be more comfortable there but that's not the best way to dive (vertical or on solid ground). We need to get them used to and comfortable with something completely different.

It seems to me that what you're really saying is that students are unable to generalize and they are unable to perform their skills anywhere but on their knees? That seems dangerous if that is true.

The point I was trying to make is that I understood that I wouldn't be doing my skills on real dives on my knees and have never seen a diver on a real dive run to the bottom to clear their mask.

I don't know how many can generalize and how many can't. As an instructor (inactive right now) I want to see that they can do those skills and manage those problems when they're diving that wall with no bottom. They may or may not know it, I know it but I want to see it. It don't count if I don't see it.

 

[Hank49]

I prefer to have students as close to horizontal as I can even if they are touching the bottom.

This may be possible after the first few confined water sessions. Initially however, a student will have a hard time venting air from their wing or bcd when horizontal in 4 feet of water. They won't be able to maintain neutral buoancy at all. This is why it's more practical to sink to the bottom, over weighted, and just breath through a reg the first time. Do a mask clearing and reg recovery...while on their knees. THEN, teach them the right way.

 

[MikeFerrara]

Are you sure that guy isn't a troll of some kind? I'm sure you're a great guy. You just don't like SD. Go on, admit it. :05:

Full disclosure here. I don't like SD. I am not sure that I am a great guy. Bob is only a troll when he steps into a thread and calls me names which he sometimes does. LOL

In all seriousness, and there are witnesses, I know Bob casually, we've dived together only once that I recall, he doesn't owe me money and he's not on my payroll. In addition he is some one who has put some serious effort into his diving, dives with some great divers, he's occomplished in the water himself and to have some one with his diving background speak well of me makes me feel like....well, all touchy and feely like a democrat.

 

[wb416]

Holly molley this almost made me cry.

go diving then... you can just claim you have water in your eyes!!

 

[wb416]

Are you sure that guy isn't a troll of some kind? I'm sure you're a great guy. You just don't like SD. Go on, admit it. :05:

... well... err... I supposed I DO like to stir the pot occasionally, but for the most part resist the urge!!

...just didn't want you to think Mike was something he's not... but I see the both of you straightened out the comms, so that's cool! :14:

 

[wb416]

Full disclosure here. I don't like SD. I am not sure that I am a great guy. Bob is only a troll when he steps into a thread and calls me names which he sometimes does. LOL

In all seriousness, and there are witnesses, I know Bob casually, we've dived together only once that I recall, he doesn't owe me money and he's not on my payroll. In addition he is some one who has put some serious effort into his diving, dives with some great divers, he's occomplished in the water himself and to have some one with his diving background speak well of me makes me feel like....well, all touchy and feely like a democrat.

:rofl:MAO

I love it!!! That's RICH!!

...this is starting to feel like a mutual admiration society meeting... dang... is it getting blurry in here, or is it just me... :14:

{I sure hope you weren't serious about the touchy feelly democrat part though, or I'm gonna have to start throwing more crap your direction!! LOL}

 

[MikeFerrara]

This may be possible after the first few confined water sessions. Initially however, a student will have a hard time venting air from their wing or bcd when horizontal in 4 feet of water. They won't be able to maintain neutral buoancy at all. This is why it's more practical to sink to the bottom, over weighted, and just breath through a reg the first time. Do a mask clearing and reg recovery...while on their knees. THEN, teach them the right way.

You jest? Either way, you of course can vent in 4 ft of water and even if they don't maintain neutral buoyancy to start off, kneeling UW is hard and it's a wast of time learning it because it doesn't have anything to do with diving.As I said before, I think the important thing is that you have them doing skills in a real diving context before it's all over. I can't argue every teaching method because I haven't tried every one and all the good ones I have are those I blatantly stole from other instructors. I haven't invented a single thing related to diving.

Believe it or not, mask clearing and reg recovery are two of the very skills that I think are often taught completely wrong. You do not need to look at the stars to clear a mask and you don't need to do it in one breath and the last thing you want to do is to take BIG breath in preperation to clear it. The first thing you should do if you do lose a reg is grab your backup...and not start blowing bubbles while you practice yoga. All you need under water is something to breath. Get the air and then solve whatever other equipment problems you might be having.

 

[MikeFerrara]

:rofl:MAO

I love it!!! That's RICH!!

...this is starting to feel like a mutual admiration society meeting... dang... is it getting blurry in here, or is it just me... :14:

{I sure hope you weren't serious about the touchy feelly democrat part though, or I'm gonna have to start throwing more crap your direction!! LOL}

Very blurry. LOL

Not serious about which part? That I feel like a touchy feely democrat? or that democrats are touchy feely? Oh well, better just go ahead an throw the crap because by the time this all over I'm pretty sure I will have earned it some how.