Faking Logbook Entries Fact or Fiction?

[MikeFerrara]

Like you writing in this thread? If you don't want the mag, call them and tell them. I'm sure they would be happy to stop sending to you. :05:

Like me writing in this thread? Please let me know where you disagree...other than as to who is the publisher of scuba diving magazine. My background in diving (recreational and technical) and instruction is pretty much common knowledge and fully disclosed. Maybe you'd like to tell us about yours? Please let us in on your experience concerning diving and dive training standards ok? Aside from that, what is your real point? I admit, my statement showed total ignorance of who owns and is running the magazine...and that has what bearing on the subject matter? Again, if you'd like to discuss either your points of view on diving or mine please feel free.

Do you have an axe to grind? You sound like a rep for "scuba diving" rodales or otherwise. But I did call them. That's how I got them to stop sending boxes full. Now they just send one addressed to my old business name but at my home address. I don't even know how they found me here. LOL

 

[MikeFerrara]

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Originally Posted by MikeFerrara
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The only ax I have to grind is that writers like that can't get their facts straight e

Like you writing in this thread? If you don't want the mag, call them and tell them. I'm sure they would be happy to stop sending to you.

Cool, cutting off a quote in the middle of a sentance to take it out of context. you're a troll, me thinks.

 

[fairybasslet]

Cool, cutting off a quote in the middle of a sentance to take it out of context. you're a troll, me thinks.

No troll. And nothing to do from SD magazine. However, I have worked as a journalist. Yes, getting a fact straight, like who the publisher is, is important. It's like when a journalist spells someone's name wrong in article. How much do you trust the rest of the piece if they can't get a simple fact straight. Frankly, your rants against the accuracy of the writing in SD loses just a tiny bit of punch when your "facts" are just as suspect.
BTW, I have a profile. You can read it for yourself. I don't claim to be anything but an "average" diver. And a fairly new one at that. However, I do know how to read and reseach.

 

[MikeFerrara]

It happens every month. Someone reads the Lessons for Life in Scuba Diving, then bashes the article, claiming it was faked. If you don't like the magazine, don't read it. Unless you have absolute proof that the articles have been made up, then you are just as bad as you claim the magazine is. BTW, I have no stake the in magazine at all. However, I have been a journalist and I am just sick and tired of know-it-alls who think, because of Jayson Blaire and others of his ilk, all reporting is fake. It's like saying all car mechanics are thieves, all lawyers are dishonest, etc. Some people obviously have it in for the magazine and come on this board posting absolute nonsense every time a new issue come out. It's getting old.

Oh, I get it now. You're just defending journalist. There's the axe huh? No diving experience or references to support your point of view (whatever that is)...only that you're sick od people disputing the articles.

At least I try to back up my points with training standards, science, personal experience and whatever else. you just have a soft spots for jouranalists. Well, good for you. Every one needs a cause. LOL

 

[fairybasslet]

Oh, I get it now. You're just defending journalist. There's the axe huh? No diving experience or references to support your point of view (whatever that is)...only that you're sick od people disputing the articles.

At least I try to back up my points with training standards, science, personal experience and whatever else. you just have a soft spots for jouranalists. Well, good for you. Every one needs a cause. LOL

I'd rather have a soft spot for a "cause" than be a bonehead with a super inflated ego who knows for a "fact" that a story has been faked, yet doesn't even bother check out who the publisher of the magazine is. So much for accuracy in your investigations. It's like jumping to the conclusion that I'm some kind of troll. Way to go.

 

[MikeFerrara]

No troll. And nothing to do from SD magazine. However, I have worked as a journalist. Yes, getting a fact straight, like who the publisher is, is important. It's like when a journalist spells someone's name wrong in article. How much do you trust the rest of the piece if they can't get a simple fact straight. Frankly, your rants against the accuracy of the writing in SD loses just a tiny bit of punch when your "facts" are just as suspect.
BTW, I have a profile. You can read it for yourself. I don't claim to be anything but an "average" diver. And a fairly new one at that. However, I do know how to read and reseach.

Well hey, I guess refering to the magazine as "rodales" is habit from doing it for so many years. It is incorrect and I appologize and promis to try to break that habit.

I did read your profile and know that, if it's correct, you don't have any background in technical diving or technical dive training. No matter, all that means is that this thread is for you and hopefully you'll avoid the fate of the subject of the article

I encourage you to consider anything I say as suspect and research it for yourself. Should you need help finding sources just ask and I'll try to point some out.

In relation to the various subjects that have come up in this thread, I would recommend reading the training standards of the various agencies. IANTD standards can be accessed at IANTD.com. I don't know about TDI. Also, the IANTD "Technical Diver Encyclopedia" has some good reading and references to studies on narcosis, Co and Co2 poisooning and so forth that also seem realevant.

Lastly, always feel free to point it out any time you think I have misstated or misrepresented facts and jump in with more accurate information.

 

[MikeFerrara]

I'd rather have a soft spot for a "cause" than be a bonehead with a super inflated ego who knows for a "fact" that a story has been faked, yet doesn't even bother check out who the publisher of the magazine is. So much for accuracy in your investigations. It's like jumping to the conclusion that I'm some kind of troll. Way to go.

I never said the article was faked. I pointe out problems I saw with it based on my knowledge of training standards. What does that have to do with ego?

You have yet to contribute to the subject of the accident and what the logbook may or may not have to do with it. I'm not so sure yet that I was jumping to conclusions at all when I suggested you were a troll. you still seem like a troll.

I didn't check to see who the publisher was but I explained that and appologized for it since it bothers you. Have you anything diving related to contribute?

 

[fairybasslet]

Well hey, I guess refering to the magazine as "rodales" is habit from doing it for so many years. It is incorrect and I appologize and promis to try to break that habit.

I did read your profile and know that, if it's correct, you don't have any background in technical diving or technical dive training. No matter, all that means is that this thread is for you and hopefully you'll avoid the fate of the subject of the article

I encourage you to consider anything I say as suspect and research it for yourself. Should you need help finding sources just ask and I'll try to point some out.

In relation to the various subjects that have come up in this thread, I would recommend reading the training standards of the various agencies. IANTD standards can be accessed at IANTD.com. I don't know about TDI. Also, the IANTD "Technical Diver Encyclopedia" has some good reading and references to studies on narcosis, Co and Co2 poisooning and so forth that also seem realevant.

Lastly, always feel free to point it out any time you think I have misstated or misrepresented facts and jump in with more accurate information.

Your whole argument would have held a lot more weight if you had just stuck with the facts as you know them from your training, and left out the "typical Rodales." It shows prejudice against that particular publication. It just makes me wonder if it had been published somewhere else, would you have had the same reaction. JMHO.

 

[daniel f aleman]

I see where some Technical instructors are discouragng the TDI Extended Range course and the TDI Extended Range Instructor course, anyone know why? Is it about deep diving on air?

Example

 

[JeffG]

Mike, you've mentioned this knees business many times but I just don't understand it. It has never occured to me to drop to the bottom and get on my knees to flood and clear my mask.

I just sat through a pool session last Thursday where 8 new DM's started their class (one of my friends was in the class and I was curious about what the training was about). All I saw was 8 people on their knees doing skills. remove/replace mask....don/doff gear while kneeling.