equipment question- want to get involved with caves/wrecks

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Can you recommend a good BP/W combo? I purchased the Cressi BCD recentyl and havent used it yet, I am considering returning it to get a BP/W since it sounds like everyone says you can you that for both rec and tech dives. Does the BP/W combo work the same as a BCD for the most part? adding and removing air from the bladder?

It does work the same as a BCD in that respect. If you want a good suggestion as to what would suit your purposes, go to the manufacturer's section here and post that question in the DSS forum (deep sea supply). Tobin is the owner of DSS and will ask for your specifics, and give you advice on the correct BP/W package for you.
 
For the most part I would say that all "tech" diving equipment will work for recreational diving but not the other way around.

Check the boards for a ton of good information about a backplate and wing (BP/W), this has been discussed in length dozens of times.

Masks are something very personal for people, its best to try them on usually and pick something low volume. However I fell for the guarantee that dive rite has on their black mask, if it doesn't fit return it for your money back, its the best mask I have ever had and I try not to use a mask that isn't black anymore.

Snorkels are pretty much a waste of money IMO unless you dive in an area with varied weather conditions in which case having a snorkel folded up in a pocket is a good option. you wont ever need one in a cave I'm pretty sure... though people have been know to leave them in the caves as a joke.

Most technical diving instructors I have met encourage a simple blade style fin with spring straps, they may seem old school but a good thing never grows old.

I dont know where you plan to dive but if you ever intend to dive cold water save yourself some grief and buy an environmentally sealed regulator like the dive rite regs or the scubapro mk17 or others. the apeks DS4 and scubapro mk2 are also popular first stages for technical divers as they can serve well as a decompression regulator.

same goes for exposure protection, a drysuit will work anywhere and a wetsuit might not so either buy both or get the right thing first. in technical diving and cave diving both have their place but a drysuit will work for pretty much every dive so it makes sense and with the price of wetsuits getting higher and with suits like the fusion and typhoon only $2 or 3 hundred more than a wetsuit its hard to not buy a drysuit.

I would encourage you to read over the topics on the various boards including those which may not interest you just to expose yourself to the various things out there. dont buy anything to soon, you will likely regret it and somewhere around here there is a great thread with several hundred posts about "what you bought that you regret" that will likely give you much needed insite on what isn't worth owning.

google is your friend too, you will come across various brands and training agencies mentioned in the threads as well as dive shop names and they are all worth getting used too. remember that a websites quality is not related proportionately to a product or service quality as often times the best stuff comes from the oldest least updated websites simply because they spend more time researching gear and diving and testing then they do building a website.

some names to familiarize yourself with include:

Hogarthian (hog)
DIR and GUE
OMS- Ocean Management Systems
DSS- Deep Sea Supply
Salvo
Halcyon
Oxycheq
Omniswivel
Scubapro
Edge/HOG (different than hogarthian)
XS
Golem gear
DUI
Whites
Dive Rite
Dive Right In Scuba
Cave Adventurers
Tech Diving Limited
Dive Sports
Leisurepro
Scubatoys
etc...

just look around and research and dont be afraid to call these people and ask questions and take their advice.

T
 
I would recommend getting a stainless backplate and a singles wing for now. Brand really doesn't matter for the plate and you can usually find used ones for a good price. Wings are a whole different animal since they come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. I would highly recommend test diving as many different ones as possible and buy the one that helps you trim out the best.
 
Northwoodsdiver...Thanks soo much, that is very helpful. After everyones help here sounds like I am going to return my BCD and opt for a BP/W. Also, I think I am going to go with the SP Jets and add spring straps to it. Sounds like that setup right there will work really well for rec and tech diving, right? Sorry for allt he questions, there is just sooooooo much information and opinions out there so its hard finding whats best for "you"
 
divegearexpress.com has a dive rite transplate package for $599

Im very happy with my transplate

brett

More expensive that a number of other packages, and less universally accepted by training agencies. The plastic closures and non-standard harness make it a dubious choice for cave work.
 
Here you go, heres an example of some good used gear BP/Wings.specifficly refering to the Diverite Bp and single harness and Deep Outdoor wing
The Deco Stop

Tony, you are one smart guy to be asking these good questions,,me I was stupid and bought all the wrong stuff when I started.. Kick myself now!
 
If you ignore the plastic quick disconnects, the metal plates where the shoulder harness meets the waist strap IMHO actually create a more desirable (read that as comfortable)positioning of the shoulder harness straps. The nature of this design in itself (routing and attachment of the metal plate) does not create any additionally failure point/mode.

While I don't use a Transplate for my cave rig, I do use them for my open water rigs, including my Cold Water wreck wreck set-up and find it much more comfortable (especially out of the water where you may have to walk a bit) and support improved ingress/egress (especially nice an boat with low seating and rigging areas). This is not as big a deal in my limited cave diving experience where there have been nice standing height benches.

Not trying to cause an argument, but most people that discuss the pros/cons of a Transplate have not actually ever used one. Now on the down side the shoulder harness design of the Transplate does create limitations as it relates to D-Ring positioning. For me the ideal harness would be made out of 2 webbing pieces, 2 metal plates (and the standard buckles, D-rings etc) and eliminate the unneeded elements of the Transplate and allow for positioning of shoulder D -ring identical to that of a single piece harness.

I might try to make a harness like this one of these days.


More expensive that a number of other packages, and less universally accepted by training agencies. The plastic closures and non-standard harness make it a dubious choice for cave work.
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/swift/
http://cavediveflorida.com/Rum_House.htm

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