Duty Cycle of Coltri Icon LSE 100?

[happy-diver]

Do some more research on the PMV mate as whatever you've got is not it!

There's some of your many owner's first hand experience right there at you

But did you want first hand experience spanning hundreds if not thousands
of hours of runtime, from folks that actually understand what they're saying

 

[iain/hsm]

Coltri compressors are cheap for many reasons with each and every component fitted factored in the build at the cheapest possible price. The motor you quoted is also no exception. They are sold to recreational amateur divers with little of no experience and cater for the lowest common denominator and cost.

1. For the American market you should have been supplied with a NEMA motor code and plate and not an IEC code

2. Further this S= 3-75% is deceiving and IMHO not the same as the NEMA SF Service factor code

It is possible however being Italian that they have used the letters from the NEMA locked rotor code instead but the letter S would have been printed as locked rotor kVA per HP from the NEMA A to V with the lower down the alphabet code you go the the higher the inrush current.

Now being British I'm not a great fan of American motors or your panel wiring safety for that matter or your acceptance of starting with full voltage across the line starting drawing 300 to 500% loads higher than the motor current rating for the short time taken to achieve full rotor speed. While us lot fear and tremble at locked rotor amps by contrast to our timid soft start options. If the S printed on the data plate is indeed the NEMA locked rota code then an S would be around 16.00 to 17.99 kVA per HP T

On the same line the C1 and C2 headings denote its a single phase capacitor start capacitor run with the size of capacitors fitted

The bottom row shows IP 54 its the ingress protection akin near to your NEMA drip proof and lower than our minimum European industrial requirement for indoor use of IP 56

Sadly this motor is built to the cheapest of cheap standard its not even duel 50 / 60Hz or voltage 110 / 220 volt Its not NEMA t
rated and should be for the American market but worse of all its built on a European 90 metric IEC frame size and not to the required American imperial NEMA frame size and spacing

All is fine until it breaks after its short hard life and you left struggling trying to find a motor in the USA that fits the slots on the compressor motor mounting frame

 

[iain/hsm]

And if that's not enough here is a photo of a European minimum standard engineers designed compressor motor for indoor factory use I was working on today. Note the difference for the European Market (OK its a 3 phase) But:

1. It's EFF Effective 3 or IE3 that's 90.4% efficient.
2. Duty cycle is S1 That's 100% duty cycle 24/7 all day every day and at full load and pressure
3. Dual Voltage 400/690 volts in Delta and 460 volts in Star
3. Dual Hz 50 or 60 Hz wiring options included
4. PCT Thermistor protection fitted as standard
5. Ingress protection dust and fluid IP 56
6. Fitted with SKF shaft bearings (And not cheap junk from China or India)

This motor is by law in the UK is the minimum standard and would also require a soft start.
By contrast dive shops are a law unto themselves.

 

[iain/hsm]

By contrast if you go back to this Coltri motor for the American market on your MCH6 now rebranded and called the I-CON YOU have to asked yourself first what is it doing being sold to the American scuba diving market when it should be to a NEMA standard and class.
Send it back and get your money back or have it replaced.

And second if the data plate (marking in red) marked as S 3-75% and taking into account its Italian then I would suggest it should be interpreted as being to a S3 standard running at 75% efficiency.

And as S3 is only 75% efficient then you have to re interpret the data marking as S3. 75%.
A poor cheap motor to go with a poor cheap compressor block together with a poor inefficient filter system for a block running a very short stoke at very high RPM with poor little lubrication reserve.

Efficiency rating is power usage and is one thing duty cycle quite another.

 

[Wallowa]

For the many, many owners of Coltri MCH-6 or Icon model [Coltri Icon 100 SH portable compressor] here is website with information....of course you should not be Italian or American phobic to retain objectivity and use these compressors for their intended use; thousands in use and you are in good company.. And Honda GX 200 gas motor is a gem.

Coltri Sub Compressors - Scuba Engineer

All compressor servicing manuals and information presented on this page is Copyright of Aerotechnica Coltri S.r.l , Brescia, Italy. Important Safety Note:

scubaengineer.com

 

[iain/hsm]

For the many, many owners of Coltri MCH-6 or Icon model [Coltri Icon 100 SH portable compressor] here is website with information....of course you should not be Italian or American phobic to retain objectivity and use these compressors for their intended use; thousands in use and you are in good company.. And Honda GX 200 gas motor is a gem.

I don't know how you can make so many misleading statements in so few words and still manage to get it so wrong.

1. First off the Coltri ICON 100SH portable (gas/petrol( engine for the American market comes with the cheaper recreational light and intermittent duty Honda GP range of engine and NOT the professional industrial GX range.

2. The misdirection and obfuscation surrounding this switch is made manifest by the covering of the Honda nameplate for the American recreational market as the advert enclosed below clearly shows.

3. By contrast the original Italian advert I enclose below clearly shows the decal Honda GP

4. Now those of us that know the difference between the Honda GP range as an alternative to the Honda GX range would with respect disagree.

5. It's not without some amusement that your suggestion for a Coltri Sub Compressors - Scuba Engineer is non other than an outfit on Thepprasit Rd out of Pattaya City Thailand my third photo enclosed below of the place. Back click on the photo itself only and not the heading and open in a new window

Easytek Engineering Services Co Ltd · 62/277-278, 6 Thepprasit Rd, Bang Lamung District, Chon Buri 20150, Thailand

★★★★★ · Technischer Berater

maps.app.goo.gl

Easytek Engineering Services Co Ltd · 62/277-278, 6 Thepprasit Rd, Bang Lamung District, Chon Buri 20150, Thailand

★★★★★ · Technischer Berater

www.google.com

6. I guess you don't want me to discuss what some have said about elderly white men in Pattaya Thailand save he is now making electric cars and shutting down your sorry state. Can't have me adding to your phobic objectivity.

7. I guess now's your chance to define what you mean by "and use these compressors for their intended use" ROFL

As for the badge..........Now you see it now you don't. Make you wonder why.

 

[Wallowa]

Hit a nerve? Guess Thailand? Check again. But that adds other nationality you hold in contempt; "elderly white men in Pattaya'; careful you homophobic skirt is showing.

The Nuvair picture above is the same as my MCH-6 Icon with the GX200. I own it and use it and like it. Honestly I have never met a Honda motor that I did not like.

"Where are Coltri MCH-6 Icon scuba air compressors maufactured?

Coltri MCH-6 Icon scuba air compressors are manufactured in Italy. Specifically, they are produced by Aerotecnica Coltri S.p.a., which is located in Desenzano del Garda, in the province of Brescia."

Can't understand your constant vitriolic attempts at self-aggrandizing. Better served by sharing your knowledge and expertise in a more palatable, less in-your-face, I am right-you are wrong, manner. Less hubris and more dialogue will better convey your information. But hey, I could be wrong.

 

[Tracy]

Coltri compressors are cheap for many reasons with each and every component fitted factored in the build at the cheapest possible price. The motor you quoted is also no exception. They are sold to recreational amateur divers with little of no experience and cater for the lowest common denominator and cost.

1. For the American market you should have been supplied with a NEMA motor code and plate and not an IEC code

2. Further this S= 3-75% is deceiving and IMHO not the same as the NEMA SF Service factor code

It is possible however being Italian that they have used the letters from the NEMA locked rotor code instead but the letter S would have been printed as locked rotor kVA per HP from the NEMA A to V with the lower down the alphabet code you go the the higher the inrush current.

Now being British I'm not a great fan of American motors or your panel wiring safety for that matter or your acceptance of starting with full voltage across the line starting drawing 300 to 500% loads higher than the motor current rating for the short time taken to achieve full rotor speed. While us lot fear and tremble at locked rotor amps by contrast to our timid soft start options. If the S printed on the data plate is indeed the NEMA locked rota code then an S would be around 16.00 to 17.99 kVA per HP T

On the same line the C1 and C2 headings denote its a single phase capacitor start capacitor run with the size of capacitors fitted

The bottom row shows IP 54 its the ingress protection akin near to your NEMA drip proof and lower than our minimum European industrial requirement for indoor use of IP 56

Sadly this motor is built to the cheapest of cheap standard its not even duel 50 / 60Hz or voltage 110 / 220 volt Its not NEMA t
rated and should be for the American market but worse of all its built on a European 90 metric IEC frame size and not to the required American imperial NEMA frame size and spacing

All is fine until it breaks after its short hard life and you left struggling trying to find a motor in the USA that fits the slots on the compressor motor mounting frame

In their defense, that motor will likely long outlast the life of the pump it is attached to.
I always crack up that they put industrial Hondas on them. If there was ever a compressor deserving of a plastic Briggs and Stratton, it is the MCH6.

 

[iain/hsm]

"Where are Coltri MCH-6 Icon scuba air compressors maufactured?
Coltri MCH-6 Icon scuba air compressors are manufactured in Italy.

Thank you for your participation in stating the obvious.

Now maybe you could let us know exactly what is written on your Honda Data plate seeing as
you "own it and use it and like it". A picture of your data plate would be great.

 

[iain/hsm]

In their defense, that motor will likely long outlast the life of the pump it is attached to.
I always crack up that they put industrial Hondas on them. If there was ever a compressor deserving of a plastic Briggs and Stratton, it is the MCH6.

I guess it's to offer to the first (and last) end user some residual scrap value to the product. LOL

But joking apart it does appear some advantage may have been taken by either Coltri Italy or the US importers and recreational suppliers regarding the duty cycle motor options provided for the American market.

For some time it has been well known about the alternative cheaper light duty Honda GP range but that data plate from the OP for his compressor is a real cause for concern.

Once we see a photo of the petrol / gas Honda data plate on Wallowa's ICON we can resolve the difference between the required American standards for importing both electric motors together with petrol engines into the USA and compare what is being supplied to the USA recreational sports scuba divers.

I thought we had all moved on from using paintball shoebox crap and two stage fish tank cooled contraptions from the Hu Flung Dung Compressor Corporation out some back street chop shop in China. Looks like a new contender for bottom of the barrel export import in the good old USA is in town.