I'll make a few comments before the weekend, but I am packing for diving and that is more important than keeping ya'll out of suspense.
I was quoting Tobin when I said "(OPVs are not dump valves)" (or whatever). I had made the assertion that they were (why do wings have dump valves...), he equivocated about them not being dump valves and that they were actually OPVs.
My comment about not kissing *** was in response to fishb0ys comment that he _WAS_ kissing **** (arse?).
Tobin brought up drysuits, neither I nor the original poster (the fish with the long name) mentioned dry suits, hence my assertion that a straw man argument had been introduced (expanding my position to include DS, and then point out how that won't work with drysuits, classic straw man). Furthermore, the "dump valves are actually OPVs" was a red herring, they might also be OPVs, but that was irrelevant to the discussion.
I regret saying anything about drysuits, but I didn't say anything other than sharing what had been pointed out to me by the LDS (not that I beleive them). I will leave my comments about drysuits until after I am familiar, and any conclusions you might draw from my earlier comment would be misinformed.
You guys seem to be way to involved in stroking each others egos: get over yourselfs. I have no intention of "apologizing" to Tobin. I did not accuse Tobin of anything, I merely pointed out that I was suspicous of his motives: I would be naive not to given he is discounting a feature he does not incorporate into his product, and given my cynical nature. I can be suspicous (I was), and its OK form me to point that out.
And NWGratefulDiver's comments about me lacking experience and consequently my points being invalid is also a classic logical fallacy. I continue to make the assertion I do about donuts because I am confident that my experience is based in reality (Tobin finally admitted as much). I was merely trying to bring out that it is fact (donuts have advantages), with the intent to then discuss the merits of that advantage. Furthermore, the same broken logic NWGD used to point out perceptions about my lack of experience can be used to point out his lack of independent thought given his statement about broken OPVs being more than a nuisance.
I doubt I am less experienced than my confidence warrants regarding diving. I was not attempting to make any assertions about experience, but facts are facts: experienced people can share them too. Tobin continued to avoid discussing the facts about donuts, independent of the merit of those facts (he selectively avoided chunks of my posts in his responses). My assertions about donuts are mostly accurate: I was never trying to make them out to be more than they were (I never said "donuts are better" or, "buy a donut", I merely pointed out fact (donuts have advantages in a heads down position), and I attempted to provide evidence of that, evidence that had nothing to do with diving experience.
However, thanks are in order: Thanks Tobin for taking the time to share your knowledge about bladders. I'm beggining to understand the claim BWOD users make about the advantages of avoiding the taco effect.
Furthermore, I think Tobin can handle himself fine, and doesn't need sheep to defend him.
