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Pharmacists use a lot of pure (unscented) talc in their work. So I asked my pharmacist whether he could spare some and he gave me a several-ounce bottle free, enough for several years' use.

-Bryan

Well heck...I'm married to a pharmacist and she's been holding out on me! :rofl3:



Let's see moregooder, dry gloves and no wrist seals? you must REALLY trust your dry gloves! :idk: During a failure of my gloves, (well crap, THAT'LL never happen :rofl3:) I'd SURE love to have something in place to keep leaks at bay!:shakehead:
 
Let's see moregooder, dry gloves and no wrist seals? you must REALLY trust your dry gloves! :idk: During a failure of my gloves, (well crap, THAT'LL never happen :rofl3:) I'd SURE love to have something in place to keep leaks at bay!:shakehead:
Second that. A bit of water may come up those little tubes I put under the seals, but I'm not at risk of flooding my suit while I decide whether the leak is bad enough to call the dive.

On the other hand, you and I are probably just FUBAR (Feeding Under-Bridge Antisocial Rascals, aka Trolls).

-Bryan
 
I always thought using regular baby powder on your latex neck and wrist seals were good for helping get the gear on. Now I've heard that it's bad for the latex; other seemingly inert ingredients cause the problem and something else (probably more expensive) is better. What about regular ceramic grade talc? What else is there? Corn starch? Other commercial products I'm unaware of?

As you've heard, there are popular and effective alternatives to lubricating latex seals with pure, unscented talc.

If you don't mind hearing it from a seller of pure, unscented talc, I'd like to try to clarify some of the issues raised. :)

First, although lubricating the latex is probably the primary goal for most drysuit users, preserving the latex is just as important to us extremely frugal people! :wink:

Will some methods or substances preserve the latex better than others?

Most people would say 'yes'.

How much better?

Certainly a little, sometimes a moderate amount. It's not likely to be a stunning difference, though.

What explains the difference?

Reducing the factors that cause latex to deteriorate, such as exposure to oils, ozone and uv light, is the key.

What a lot of divers forget is that skin oil gets deposited on the latex during use. Skin oil is the primary cause of premature deterioration of latex seals, in my humble, although biased and self-serving, opinion. :D

Want to really extend the life of your latex seals? Before the dive, thoroughly scrub away the skin oil from your wrists and neck. Then, immediately after the dive, wash the inside of the latex seal with soapy water.

And/or, put a barrier between the skin oil and the latex....

That's where pure talc works well. Not only does talc have relatively high oil-absorbing qualities, it lubricates extremely well, yet remains in place as a very thin barrier layer (if it's high quality fine talc). Being able to remain on the surface of the latex and/or skin is why it's able to create a good barrier against the oil and, most likely, other environmental factors, too.

So, personally, I don't go crazy with washing my skin before each dive....but I'll make sure to scrub well that morning, and, if turns out to be a sweaty day, I'll wash the latex that night. And I like to use good talc.

Unfortunately, good talc from the pharmacy or dive shop was awfully expensive for such a cheap guy as me.... That's why I got into this little business. :D

I use a ball of climbers chalk, it is very easy to apply and doesn't get chalk everywhere.

Isn't climbers chalk magnesium carbonate, which improves grip? If so, I would think it's substantially different from talc, which is magnesium silicate, which is usually an excellent lubricant.

Corn starch works great. I have heard there is some link between talc and lung cancer as well. I'm not sure if the science is 100% on it, but cornstarch works just as well.

I heard about that link, too, but I heard about it from a guy on the Internet who heard it from a guy on the Internet who heard it from a guy on the Internet..... :rofl3:

Here's a study that should put your mind at ease:

Lung cancer risk and talc not containing asbestiform fibres: a review of the epidemiological evidence

Non-contaminated talc is fine.

And corn starch doesn't work quite as well as a high quality talc, IMHO....but I'm clearly biased. :wink:

Dave C
 
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Dunno about climber's chalk, but how about those cones of hand chalk you see in billiard parlors? It's definitely meant as a dry lubricant. Did a quick search online and seems like they're often made of compressed unscented talk.

Online shops are selling the stuff in shakers as well, so if your dive shop doesn't have talc try your local pool hall. :cool2:
 
To quickly dust the seals with talc I put a couple of spoonfuls of talc in a "square" of old rag (old t-shirt fabric works well) and tie the "square" into a small pouch, leaving the tie-off string a bit long.

The talc will seep through the fabric, and I just "tap" the pouch on the seals to get a fine dusting of talc without getting talc everywhere.

The long tag of the tie-off string is so I can dangle the pouch into the wrist seals, give it a quick shake, and then the inside is dusted as well.

Henrik
 
Well heck...I'm married to a pharmacist and she's been holding out on me! :rofl3:
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Use a wetsuit on a cold water dive and then use your drysuit. Show her the difference.
Maybe she believes you've been holding out on her??? :eyebrow:

Sorry buoyant, couldn't pass that one up.

I needed some pure talc for some equipment evaluation at work. Called a distribitutor and they said they'd send me a sample. And they did, 8 pounds worth. I'm set for life. :D
 
I've been using baby powder for awhile. If it doesn't hurt a babies a$$ then it ain't going to hurt my drysuit, and it hasn't....yet.

Well lets take a look here. I clearly state in my post that I use baby powder, and if it doesn't hurt a babies a$$ then it ain't going to hurt my drysuit. I fail to see where I stated you or anyone eles should use it, though I did point out I've seen no ill effects from its use.

Looks like Diver0001 has made the same observation" I think the damage, if there is any, must be minimal. I've been using baby-power for years because unscented talc is hard to source in the Netherlands and I've never seen any damage to my seals that didn't look like normal wear and tear.

And besides, women dig guys who dare to smell like a baby's ass. " With a side benefit.:wink:


As has been said, baby talc is not good for use on latex seals. It has perfumes and other ingredients that speed up the degradation of the seal. If you are OK with that then that is your choice. I'll not judge you on your choice but you should not tell people that it is fine for use on latex seals if it is not.

I looked for pharmaceutical grade talc at one point and then realized just how long $5.00 worth from my LDS would last. At that point I stopped looking and will continue to buy what they sell. It is not worth it for me to search for another source to buy it from IMO. Other's MMV.

So all you boys and girls don't do like Diver0001 and I and use baby powder for years on your latex seals. How's that?
 
The cheapest place I have found for talc is a Billiards/Pool Hall supply store. You can get a solid cone or a bottle of fine powder. A cone will run you $8 plus shipping from www dot Billiards dot com and many of the other on-line supply houses.

As for dry gloves, when I used to do cold water work they just never lasted so I just have good gloves and fill them with warm water just before putting them on. Last March I did a two and a half hour boat salvage in 34F water with no problems with my hands, my toes were another matter.
 
The cheapest place I have found for talc is a Billiards/Pool Hall supply store. You can get a solid cone or a bottle of fine powder. A cone will run you $8 plus shipping from www dot Billiards dot com and many of the other on-line supply houses.

As for dry gloves, when I used to do cold water work they just never lasted so I just have good gloves and fill them with warm water just before putting them on. Last March I did a two and a half hour boat salvage in 34F water with no problems with my hands, my toes were another matter.

Well I would have to say the talc from Dave is cheaper and you get much more. I have bought talc from him and have only good things to say about his communication, packaging, turnaround time, and pricing. I did buy way too much though... I ended up with enough for years of usage.

Here is a link to his recent offering to SB members.
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/cl...uit-talc-2-empty-4-oz-bottles-15-shipped.html

This Special Sale offers (2) 1-lb Bags of USP-Grade DRYSUIT TALC plus (2) EMPTY 4-oz Bottles for Do-It-Yourself filling for $15.00 SHIPPED to your door!
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/perdix-ai/

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