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http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,20195013-5007132,00.html

Dolphins are flippin' idiots

By Nicolette Burke
August 21, 2006 12:00

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CONTROVERSIAL research claiming dolphins are marine dimwits rather than among the most intelligent of animals has split Australian scientists.
The scientific and marine conservation communities were divided yesterday in response to a South African academic's research showing dolphins are less intelligent than lab rats or goldfish.
The study, by the University of the Witwatersrand's Paul Manger, claims the large brains of marine mammals such as dolphins and whales are to help cope with being warm-blooded in cold water and not a sign of intelligence.

He argues the dolphin, widely regarded as one of the smartest mammals, does not display enough sophistication in its behaviour to show any more intelligence than a lab rat or goldfish.

"When you look at the structure of the dolphin brain you see it is not built for complex information processing," Professor Manger said.

"You put an animal in a box, even a lab rat or gerbil, and the first thing it wants to do is climb out of it. If you don't put a lid on top of the bowl a goldfish will eventually jump out.

"But a dolphin will never do that. In the marine parks the dividers to keep the dolphins apart are only a foot or two above the water between the different pools."

Why not? Because, Professor Manger says, the thought would simply not cross their minds.

Australia's Dolphin Research Institute conservation director Jeff Weir said people tended to get angry when new evidence came to light about dolphins' character.

"There's something special about them that has fascinated people for thousands of years," he said. "But there's little evidence they're as intelligent as everyone wanted to believe.

"It's not consistent with what people want to believe – and they get upset when it's not true."

Geneticist Dr Bill Sherwin, from the University of NSW, said groups of dolphins now being studied showed the most complex social behaviour outside the human realm.

"They do have pretty complicated behaviour. There's nothing complex in chimpanzees, orang-utans or gorillas," he said.

"I've worked with a number of different species and dolphins definitely look like they're thinking about you, and reacting to you and other things in their environment.

"This is compared to another species I worked with, the bandicoot, where you could stand there and they would repeatedly run into your legs.

"When you watch (dolphins) interacting in groups, it's like watching office politics. The male alliances constantly change – it must take some sort of brain capacity to do that sort of thing."

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I kinda question if this is a real paper, but funny none the less... does this mean there will be 2 Dolphins on the sea food menu now? (besides mahi mahi otherwise known as dolphin fish).
 
There was an interesting Discovery Channel special in which scientists designed an IQ test for animals. The test consisted of a series of mechanical puzzles with a food reward, and it was rebuilt, scaled up or down, to allow different animals to operate the puzzles. Dolphins were ranked behind keas (alpine parrots from New Zealand) and ravens, but after one dolphin was able to complete the sequence, they all were. This proved that while dolphins may not be the best tool users (they spend all there lives in open water, why would they be?), dolphins are capable of both creative solutions and learning new behaviors, so they can't be all that stupid. The real reason I doubt the validity of that article is because they compare rats to goldfish. Apples and oranges, seriously! I mean, rats are an animal that survives completely on learned behavior and manipulating their environment (in the wild), goldfish just eat and swim for the most part.

I'm done with my pseudoscientific rant now, I'll just wait for archman or another real biologist on the board to sign on and tell me how wrong I am.
 
sometimes goldfish are the food.
 
Mantasscareme:
This proved that while dolphins may not be the best tool users (they spend all there lives in open water, why would they be?)


Octopus are able to open jars, from both the inside and the outside.
 
Lab rats are also pretty stupid animals, due to being inbred for many, many generations. Real, wild rats on the other hand... lets just say I'm glad they aren't vengeful :wink:
 
pakman:
"If you don't put a lid on top of the bowl a goldfish will eventually jump out."

Then comes the part where the goldfish flaps around on the floor until it dies.

This may not be the best example of intelligent behavior. :D
 
RIOceanographer: This could in fact be a demonstration of dolphins' intelligence, they are not willing to jump over nets precisely because they cannot be sure what is on the other side. They're not willing to take that goldfish risk of flopping onto the floor
 
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