Doing It Prejudiced

[Quarrior]

Just having way to much fun yanking your and anyone elses chain that is still pushing the issues in this thread. Remember, this is the whine and cheeze forum, anything goes here, other than delibrately insulting people.

I am always impressed when I meet someone who refuses to let reality cloud his judgement.

 

[Don Burke]

If I were to ever meet him in person, I might find a reason to agree with you ... however, all I have to go on so far is his internet persona ... and that's difficult to ignore. It certainly doesn't give me a whole lot of incentive to want to hear what he's saying.

I have never met George, but I have gone one-on-one with him in email and he is quite a bit different than he is on the lists.

 

[Don Burke]

Just having way to much fun yanking your and anyone elses chain that is still pushing the issues in this thread. Remember, this is the whine and cheeze forum, anything goes here, other than delibrately insulting people.

enjoy

 

[MSilvia]

Being "right" does not give someone license to be an utter arse.

Maybe not, but there are a whole lot of unlicensed arses out there.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Maybe not, but there are a whole lot of unlicensed arses out there.

Quite so Matt ... and upon reflection, I chose too harsh a term. Particularly since I do not know the man personally.

So let me put it another way ...

Being right is only half the equation ... because it matters not at all if people aren't willing to listen to you long enough to accept the validity of what you're saying.

I can only base my opinions of GI3 on his Internet quotes ... and it seems that with many in the GUE world, the harsher the quote, the more quotable it becomes. I see this as an obstacle, because it inhibits people from wanting to listen and learn ... and the GUE method of teaching (which is a broader subject than simply DIR) is worth listening to and learning from.

Speaking strictly from my own experience, the GI3 approach ... especially as portrayed by many of his advocates on the Internet ... kept me from listening far longer than would have been the case had the same message been projected in a more constructive manner.

Perhaps this doesn't matter to GUE, as an organization. But if, as they state, their goal is to produce a more safety-oriented diver, you would think that a manner that encourages people to listen would be in their, as well as the general public's, best interest.

In this respect, GI3 might be right ... but his abrasive manner is actually hindering the goal of the organization he represents.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[RichLockyer]

In this respect, GI3 might be right ... but his abrasive manner is actually hindering the goal of the organization he represents.

One difference is, and George has come right out and said it, he doesn't care about anyone outside of the WKPP. Your and my acceptance or rejection of DIR is not going to make a bit of difference to him because his life and the life of other members of the WKPP do not count on us in any way.

If someone wants to listen and learn, they will. If they want to fight, he doesn't want to deal with them. He'll make an example of them by slamming them and exposing how and where they're wrong, but it's not for the edification of the party slammed... he considers them to be a write-off... it's to show others who are interested how screwed up thinking, overthinking, or poor planning, can result in problems.

As director of the WKPP (prior to Casey's turn at the helm) his word was law (as is Casey's). He didn't need to fight people. He didn't allow "this" or "that", and anyone who insisted or argued was off the team. This was protection for the team members... not to promote his ego. There are ways to introduce a different idea, and there are ways NOT to do it. Showing up for a dive with a "surprise" is one of the ways not to do it, but he IS open to suggestions... check out the BAUE website where they discuss introducing an alternative argon mounting method.

The internet persona is the culmination of over 10 years of dealing with people who question, then question again, or challenge, after being given a clear answer. My patience would run a little thin as well.

This is covered in a slightly different manner on disk 3 of the DVD set in the interview section.

 

[quimby]

If someone wants to listen and learn, they will. If they want to fight, he doesn't want to deal with them. He'll make an example of them by slamming them and exposing how and where they're wrong, but it's not for the edification of the party slammed... he considers them to be a write-off... it's to show others who are interested how screwed up thinking, overthinking, or poor planning, can result in problems

In HIS opinion.............

 

[minervamar]

No no no 'master of baiting' is not allowed here, definitely no, and No again, However if you refer to my signature, this is perfectly accpetable

and i think you are the one being baited, not vice versa"

The activity I was doing is correctly known as de-bait, or debate, or debunk.

This thread started as a trolling expedition, and is recommended only for divers who are a master at something.

I am not yet a master of debunk, debate nor de-bait, but I am certified as a Dive Master, so I am qualified to join.

In your case, as your signature line says "I don't give a flying feck" and "wank monkeys", you are certified as a Master of Bad Taste.

I try to be a good dive buddy and look out for the safety of my fellow divers.

Welcome to the expedition.

 

[boomx5]

I am not yet a master of debunk, debate nor de-bait, but I am certified as a Dive Master, so I am qualified to join.

So basically what your saying is that your not a "master de-baiter"...right?

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

One difference is, and George has come right out and said it, he doesn't care about anyone outside of the WKPP. Your and my acceptance or rejection of DIR is not going to make a bit of difference to him because his life and the life of other members of the WKPP do not count on us in any way.

If someone wants to listen and learn, they will. If they want to fight, he doesn't want to deal with them. He'll make an example of them by slamming them and exposing how and where they're wrong, but it's not for the edification of the party slammed... he considers them to be a write-off... it's to show others who are interested how screwed up thinking, overthinking, or poor planning, can result in problems.

As director of the WKPP (prior to Casey's turn at the helm) his word was law (as is Casey's). He didn't need to fight people. He didn't allow "this" or "that", and anyone who insisted or argued was off the team. This was protection for the team members... not to promote his ego. There are ways to introduce a different idea, and there are ways NOT to do it. Showing up for a dive with a "surprise" is one of the ways not to do it, but he IS open to suggestions... check out the BAUE website where they discuss introducing an alternative argon mounting method.

The internet persona is the culmination of over 10 years of dealing with people who question, then question again, or challenge, after being given a clear answer. My patience would run a little thin as well.

This is covered in a slightly different manner on disk 3 of the DVD set in the interview section.

Rich, I believe you and I are really talking about two different things.

You're referring to WKPP. I'm talking about GUE, and the constant swirl of controversy that surrounds the general diving population every time those three magic letters are introduced into any discussion. And what's at the root core of that controversy.

I know GI3 doesn't care what happens to anyone that's not part of WKPP. Frankly, I don't care what happens to any WKPP member, so we're cool with that.

But when he makes statements referring to people like me as incompetent monkeys, he's not aiming those at WKPP, or at anyone associated with it. He's not trying to make an example of anyone ... he's simply displaying arrogance. As are those who enjoy quoting him.

Anyone can find any rationale they like to justify it ... but it still serves no useful purpose. In fact, all it does is perpetuate a negativity that we would all be better off without.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)