Doing It Prejudiced

[Quarrior]

Try looking at the Equal Opportunity Act and every other act pertaining to public access and participation. Yes, you can make it illegal to do some things like smoke while participating, but, you cannot say smokers are not allowed to participate in a "public" activity.

When I say "public", I mean something where the general puclic is invited. Not a private funtion like GUE.

That said, I'd love to see what would happen to GUE or any diving company if someone with a "recognized" disability showed up at the door with cash in hand and lawyer in tow and said they wanted to play.

That is not true here in the United States of America. I would be very interested in a Title and Section (or that country's equivalent) so I could review the law you speak of.

 

[Quarrior]

Ah, California, the great State of Let's Make some more laws instead of enforcing the ones on the books, like murder, rape, robbery.

Sort of.
Due to medical insurance costs, more and more companies are beginning to take a "smokers need not apply" policy. I am not sure if it applies to any government agencies or not, BUT....

Smokers can still be legislated out of existence.
It is now illegal to smoke anywhere on Malibu or Santa Monica beaches.
Rather than enforce litter laws, they decided to create a new law punishing all smokers.

It has been illegal since 1998 or 1999 to smoke in any bar or restaraunt. I believe there is an exception for "Cigar Clubs". This was passed as a Cal-OSHA law "protecting" the employees (who chose to apply for work in a smoke-filled bar).

It is illegal to smoke in any government facility (including jails and prisons!)

It is illegal to smoke within 10 feet of the doorway of any government building.

And most recently, I'm not sure if it has passed yet or not, but it probably will....
Illegal to smoke in a vehicle if said vehicle is also carrying a child of the size and age to require a car seat (6 years old, 65 pounds).

I have been hearing that New York either has passed or is preparing to pass a ban on smoking on all public sidewalks.
Some parks (just as the beaches) already have bans in place.

 

[jepuskar]

This thread has gone waaay off course and is beyond recoverable even if you have taken the PADI Search and Recovery class.

It is nothing more than borderline personal attacks, useless ganter, dictionary quotes, Irvine quotes, references to sexual conduct....

For what? All because some guy is Whining over GUE's 'prejudice' to smoking....smoke away Kim, may your lungs be with you!!!

 

[Don Burke]

Try looking at the Equal Opportunity Act and every other act pertaining to public access and participation. Yes, you can make it illegal to do some things like smoke while participating, but, you cannot say smokers are not allowed to participate in a "public" activity

Actually, as near as I can tell, there is no "Equal Opportunity Act" in US Code. There is the Equal Employment Opportunity Act and several fair housing acts. Yes, you can discriminate against smokers whether they are actually smoking or not. They are not one of the protected groups.

When I say "public", I mean something where the general puclic is invited.

I am painfully familiar with real estate law, which is about as much of a public accommodation as you can get. There is no protection for smokers and many other groups.

Not a private funtion like GUE.

GUE is an organization, not a function.

That said, I'd love to see what would happen to GUE or any diving company if someone with a "recognized" disability showed up at the door with cash in hand and lawyer in tow and said they wanted to play.

That would be an ADA issue and GUE would be compelled to make "reasonable accommodation". They would be under no obligation to take anyone who could not be reasonably accommodated no matter how many attorneys show up.


This is what you stated before:

I'm not sure about your country, but, in our country it is illegal to eliminate any person or group from participating in any public activity for any reason.

Have you changed your mind?

 

[CD_in_Chitown]

would be an ADA issue....

Are you saying smoking is not a disability? It's a crippling addiction for crying out loud

 

[Quarrior]

Not in the least.

Actually, as near as I can tell, there is no "Equal Opportunity Act" in US Code. There is the Equal Employment Opportunity Act and several fair housing acts. Yes, you can discriminate against smokers whether they are actually smoking or not. They are not one of the protected groups. I am painfully familiar with real estate law, which is about as much of a public accommodation as you can get. There is no protection for smokers and many other groups.GUE is an organization, not a function.That would be an ADA issue and GUE would be compelled to make "reasonable accommodation". They would be under no obligation to take anyone who could not be reasonably accommodated no matter how many attorneys show up.


This is what you stated before:Have you changed your mind?

 

[RichLockyer]

Why y'all find such a sociopath quotable is something I just cannot comprehend ...

Because he's right, and if you ignore his internet persona and actually meet him in person, he is quite a likable guy.

 

[Don Burke]

Are you saying smoking is not a disability? It's a crippling addiction for crying out loud

It does not fall under ADA.

Heck, my nearsightedness is a disability, but I am never going to see any legal protection for it.

 

[Don Burke]

Not in the least.

I am always impressed when I meet someone who refuses to let reality cloud his judgement.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Because he's right

Being "right" does not give someone license to be an utter arse.

and if you ignore his internet persona and actually meet him in person, he is quite a likable guy.

If I were to ever meet him in person, I might find a reason to agree with you ... however, all I have to go on so far is his internet persona ... and that's difficult to ignore. It certainly doesn't give me a whole lot of incentive to want to hear what he's saying.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)