Do You Service Your Own Regs?

Do you service your own regs?

  • Yes - And I am affiliated with a shop or manufacturer.

    Votes: 38 14.8%
  • Yes - But I am pretty much on my own.

    Votes: 55 21.4%
  • No - But I'd like to learn.

    Votes: 120 46.7%
  • No - Are you Crazy? It's only $40 a year!

    Votes: 44 17.1%

  • Total voters
    257

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Originally posted by bengalsmgtsucks
Can anyone explain why more SCUBA related deaths are at an all time high? The majority are not Reg. related but Regulator related deaths are up.

Are they really? Where are you getting your numbers?


Most importantly LDS are not at fault.

Why do you say that, other than because you own an LDS?

If numbers are going up, my suspicion is that they are caused by two things.

1) Larger number of people diving. Overall, more people are diving than ever before.
2) Those that are diving are *much* less prepared than they were even 5 years ago, so there are a lot of people who don't know even the most rudimentary skills.

You can get certified fairly easily in a weekend from some dive organization, which means there are a lot of very poorly trained divers out there.

The responsibility falls on the shoulders of the instructors as well as the dive agency providing the certification. However, ultimately, it's the LDS who sponsors the instructors, so if they are allowing this poor training to occur, then I believe they are at fault, if only indirectly.


I own a NISSAN pickup. I thought I would overhaul my Transy this weekend. I surely didn't want to pay for a "Professional" to do it. They are to expensive and they never do an adequate job. Not to mention I don't want the warranty they offer nor do I want the liability to be on there shoulders. Does anyone have a service manual or know where I can get one.

I know you're being facetious, but I've overhauled my own I'm stupid and replaced the rear-end in my old Dodge, installed a number of carburator kits, as recently swapped out a 305 in my Chevy truck for a 350. It's pretty darn easy to overhaul a I'm stupid if you know what you are doing, and you've got the resources (tools and someone to ask questions of). Certainly all of the above jobs are harder than servicing a regulator, and you really *can* save a ton of money if you do it yourself.

You can sometimes find a good/reputable repair place, but they are certainly hard to find nowadays. I'm lucky enough in that I have two professional repairman in the family, so when I run into problems, I have some great resources to draw upon.

Both of them worked for dealerships, and neither feel that as a dealership they could provide very good service to their customers. In their opinion, to get a quality overhaul you'll need to go to a shop that isn't affiliated with the manufacturer, and these shops end up providing their own 'warranty'. However, a warranty means very little, since any shop worth it's salt won't even have to deal with warranty work, and those that do will generally treat you right with or without a warranty in place.

I suspect the same sort of thing occurs with many dive shops and dive manufacturers. A really good LDS will support you regardless of the manufacturers policy, but they are hard to find. ;(

Finally, if you really ARE serious about overhauling the I'm stupid in your Nissan, I have access to all the service information you need/want, although I suggest buying a Chilton's or Hemming's for your vehicle on your own if you plan on doing anything serious.


Nate
 
Scuba deaths as a result of people working on their own regs? That's a new one :rolleyes:. Most divers are dying because they aren't ready to dive in the first place.

People who place that much faith on the "expertise" of diveshop employees/owners scare me a lot more than a do-it-yourselfer with his head screwed on right. Just because someone has a piece of plastic in their back pocket saying they've taken a basic course in reg repair doesn't mean squat to me. None of this is rocket science people... jeesh. A dive shop monkey ;) is not, by some automatic default, necessarily smarter, more talented, or more mechanically inclined than any one of you.

Some peoples infactuation with a piece of plastic or paper continues to amaze me sometimes. Believe it or not, you can actually possess knowledge without having a card saying so.

Mike
 
After my LDS messed up my yoke nut with a crescent wrench, I decided to make my own socket. Also allows correct torque to be applied. Takes an hour or more with a dremel tool - use the fiber reinforced cutting wheel(s). Mark with tape and cut to length leaving just enough 'teeth' to grip the nut. Cut side pieces out to fit around the A-clamp legs. Cut shoulders enough to allow socket to fit over nut. Some A-clamps won't accept a 3/8 drive extension. For 1/4 inch drive, shorten and square the sides of a 1/4 inch drive socket to fit in the hole of a 1/2 in drive socket. JB weld will hold it in place. Picture attached I hope:
 
You can buy the proper nut for those yokes for about a buck from the manufacturer. Probably find them elsewhere too. Yokes need proper torque? How come??? Isn't there an O-ring at the bottom of that sucker that just needs to be resting up againts & inside the 1st stage?

LOL
 
Yoke nut socket is $20.00 from Peterbuilt - may not fit 7/16th in yoke. Will the guy who will sell me a yoke nut also sell me the upgraded piston for my Mk20 and current service kits and instructions? I'd sure like to find him. The Mk20 takes 266 inch pounds of torque. I believe that is a bit higher then most. The o-ring that is captured beneith that nut is holding back a fair amount of pressure. Too little torque and the O-ring may leak. Too much and the first stage may experience a catastrophic failure. If you happen to be suited up when it goes, the lump on the back of your head may be quite serious.
 
I don't see any reason to use an acidic cleaner unless there is some grody green stuff. In a pinch, I will dip a copper filter into muriatic acid. Cleans up nice, but don't leave it too long(G). Anyway, I noticed the comment that 50/50 is out. Somebody better tell Apeks.

I'm not an Apeks owner but, being curious, I downloaded the Deeper something Apeks instruction manual. That thing is just too neat! It recommends a commercial cleaning fluid but says if that is not handy it is OK to use 50/50 white vinegar/water. Soak for 15 minutes.

Storytime: years ago, when USD was discontinuing the double hose reg, I bought a brand new Royal Aquamaster real cheap. I hooked the thing up to a tank and the reg went "BLOOYEY, KABLAM", WHOOSH. Air came rushing out the intake hose. I disassembled the bugger and found that the pin which lifts the poppet valve was too short, and it had tilted and jammed the valve open. The factory had accidentally installed the short pin used in it's sister reg, the Aquamaster. I had to replace the pin and the poppet which had been damaged.
 
When I have the time to learn to service my own reg, I'll be glad that Stone's web site is there as a resource... one of many I'll turn to.

That said, does any have any advice for good sources for Genesis regulator info and tools?
 

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