Do You Consider Solo Diving to be Recreational or Technical?

[MXGratefulDiver]

Did I say there was anything wrong with your "posts like that" other than your making "posts like that" contributed to my on the fence position regarding you as one of the best candidates for moderator of my proposed pipe-dream sub-forums?

Since you are not interested in moderating said pipe-dream, the point is moot; imho.

I think the point was moot long before Thal posted.

I'm not understanding your premise in this thread. You seem to be saying that you should have a say in how ScubaBoard organizes its forums ... and who is qualified to moderate them.

Are you and NetDoc business partners now?

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[DaleC]

You help divers by educating them about the risks involved with X, Y or Z dives.
You help divers by reminding them about what their agency recommended limits are and why they exist.
You help divers by discussing how X training does not prepare them for Y dives.
You help divers by informing them of available training options, that will enable them to achieve their goals.

In no way does it help divers by advocating diving beyond their training and capability limits.
In no way does it help divers by presenting techniques for them to exceed those limits.
In no way does it help divers by discussing the 'relative merits' of diving beyond the training.
In no way does it help divers by advocating a 'do what you want' attitude, based on a civil liberties soapbox.

Again I agree with the sentiment of your post and I understand the point you are making but I can think of examples where these concepts do break down.

Aside from solo diving, vintage equipment diving also comes to mind. Anyone who posts promoting the use of a doublehose regulator is advocating diving beyond ones training as agencies no longer teach that style of diving. Besides the equipment, there are specific techniques and performance issues that have to be "learned" if one is to dive safely with one. Except for a young fellow I took for a try out dive with his Navy DA, I have never dived with another vintage equipment user and have learned everything from the internet or books and experimentation. I was, in essence, diving beyond my training and it was largely due to many people in several forums promoted this activity (with the appropriate caveats).

I could just as easily die from (incorrectly) using a DH as I could from soloing and a few members of the dive industry have told me so on several occasions. If it were left up to "big brother" my gear would be display only. Yet it is both safe and functional.

 

[Thalassamania]

How can there be yin without yang?

Easy ... just hear the sound of one hand clapping.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

How can there be yin without yang?

Easy ... just hear the sound of one hand clapping.

Easy ... all it takes is for the hand to make contact with its owner's back ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Thalassamania]

or forehead.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

or forehead.

... there is that ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[MauiScubaSteve]

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Also... I sincerely doubt that the "vast majority" of divers exceed their recommended limits, or conduct deep/bounce dives.

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Based on a (IMHO faulty) premise that the "vast majority" of divers conduct themselves in a manner consistent with your own (and VDGM's) attitude towards conservative diving.

Maybe that is your perception of the dive community... but maybe your perceptions are shaped by the way you dive...and the influence you have on the immediate circles of divers that dive with you.

Maybe your perspectives and practices shape your reality. However, that reality isn't universal.

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Personally, I think that you, and some others, are simply seeking a justification of your own diving practices. A justification at the expense of prudent agency-recommended limitations. A justification at the expense of other diver's safety.

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There's never going to be a forum for "Diving Beyond Your Training Limits". What would the forum description say?

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Any sub-forums created in the Advanced section would be directly related to the appropriate qualifications for that diving activity. It wouldn't be an 'anything goes' forum for debate.

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I agree that the creation of specialist sub-forums within the Advanced Diving zone would be beneficial - especially on the basis that it would allow members to more easily locate and contribute to specific subject discussions. However, those sub-forums wouldn't be an excuse to flout the over-riding site rules on safe diving practices. For that reason, it may not be the 'solution' you are looking for. LOL

Working up, w/ regards to the above quoted <snips> of one post taking exception to many things I have typed, but by claiming I have typed things I did not type!

I am more than glad that you agree with specialist sub-forums within Advanced Diving Discussions, and yes, I did propose this; many, many threads back, nearly two month ago. Very nice of you to remember and bring it up of your own volition in my thread moved to "Feedback".

You seem to be assuming you know what I am looking for, but as we move up in your post quoted above, you really don't type like you know what I am looking for.

The current Solo Divers sub-forum contains a multitude of posts where many, many members are openly discussing "Diving Beyond Their Training Limits". It does not seem to me that the description of any forum is keeping members from discussing "Diving Beyond Their Training Limits". It seems to me most of the "recreational" forums contain lots of discussion about "Diving Beyond The Training Limits" of the divers for whom those forums are intended.

Personally, I think that you feel like you have to type "I (DD) think that you (hale), and some others, are simply seeking a justification of your own diving practices" but I will continue to hope you are smarter than that and are simply still just playing the part you feel you have to play.

Please quote me where I have typed that the "vast majority" of divers exceed their recommended limits, or conduct deep/bounce dives. As I remember, I have never typed that the "vast majority" of divers exceed their recommended limits, or conduct deep/bounce dives.

I have typed that IMHO, perhaps a majority of dives being made daily in Hawaii are beyond the level of training of the divers making those dives.

IMHO, there are also many dives in the Florida Keys and Cozumel where daily, many divers are diving beyond their level of training.

Many, many times in the past few weeks I have asked YOU, DevonDiver, to quote me, to prove your accusations. To this date I do not remember you ever quoting me to prove YOUR FALSE ACCUSATIONS!

 

[DaleC]

This discussion has become illogical :loopy:

 

[Thalassamania]

This discussion has become illogical :loopy:

Is that a recent epiphany?

 

[DaleC]

Is that a recent epiphany?

No, I've been singing along for years :

The illogical Song (horribly ripped off from Supertramp)

When I was young
It seemed that diving was so wonderful
A miracle, it was beautiful, magical
And all the fish in the seas
Well they'd be swimming so happily
Joyfully, playfully, watching me

But then they send me away
To teach me how to dive sensibly
Logically, responsibly, practically
And then they showed me a forum
Where I could be so dependable
Clinical, intellectual, cynical

There are times when all the oceans asleep
The air dives run too deep for such a simple man
Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned?
I know it sounds absurd but please tell me my dive plan...

I say, "Now what would you say for they calling you a radical
Liberal, fanatical, criminal?"
Won't you sign up your name? We'd like to feel you're
Acceptable, respectable, presentable, a vegetable
Oh, ch-ch-check it out stroke stroke stroke ei ay!

At night when all the world's asleep
The air dives run so deep for such a simple man
Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned?
I know it sounds absurd but please tell me my dive plan
my dive plan, my dive plan? what dive plan...