Diving watches

[BoltSnap]

The point is, the tables are more conservative. The whole reason computers were developed was to increase bottom time.

Please let the respective dive computer manufacturers, DAN, PADI/SDI/NAUI/RAID/etc. know that so they know and would change their rules and standards.

 

[M-Cameron]

Again, what you are stating goes against every single dive computer manufacturers, DAN, training agency and expert out there. Your computer goes down, you stay out for 24 hours before switching to fresh dive computer or dive tables. I am not inventing the rules, I just go with the industry standards. You want to invent something on your own and convince yourself that your invention is correct that is your problem but it doesn't make it a valid invention.

making my point earlier about the industry turning out divers utterly incapable of thinking about what they are doing, and unable to understanding dive science....and are only taught to "follow the computer"

spend some time to think about what i said, and then come back and tell me how it is unsafe...with an actual answer, not "well the dive computer manufacturer says xxxxx"

the industry has to cater to the lowest common denominator...some mouth breather with a room temperature IQ......not your average person who isnt stumped by reading a table.....so of course they are going to go with the option that is less likely to result in litigation.

 

[BoltSnap]

making my point earlier about the industry turning out divers utterly incapable of thinking about what they are doing, and understanding dive science....and are only taught to "follow the computer"

spend some time to think about what i said, and then come back and tell me how it is unsafe...with an actual answer, not "well the dive computer manufacturer says xxxxx"

the industry has to cater to the lowest common denominator...some mouth breather with a room temperature IQ......not your average person who isnt stumped by reading a table.....so of course they are going to go with the option that is less likely to result in litigation.

So everyone is on in this conspiracy and you caught on to them. WOW.

Why haven't you published your ideas in relevant scientific publications?

Again, I don't care about what you do to yourself, I am only responding here just to point out to the less informed people what the standards and real information is so they don't get lost in the myths believing them and their getting hurt at the end.

 

[M-Cameron]

So everyone is on in this conspiracy and you caught on to them. WOW.

what conspiracy?....wtf are you even talking about?

Why haven't you published your ideas in relevant scientific publications?

Again, I don't care about what you do to yourself, I am only responding here just to point out to the less informed people what the standards and real information is so they don't get lost in the myths believing them and their getting hurt at the end.

you still havent explained HOW they are going to get hurt.....or what the MYTH is?.....

do you even understand how dive tables work?.....do you understand what a square dive profile is?....do you understand why you usually have longer NDLs diving with a computer vs using tables?.....because based on your replies, i honestly dont think that you do.


everyone knows what the "standards" say.....that doesnt make them "correct" or the only way to do sometihng....and it doesnt mean that if something is outside of the standards, that its "unsafe"

hell, at one time nitrox was outside the "standards".....bet you have no problem with that now though....

 

[Diver With Altitude]

So everyone is on in this conspiracy and you caught on to them. WOW.

Why haven't you published your ideas in relevant scientific publications?

Again, I don't care about what you do to yourself, I am only responding here just to point out to the less informed people what the standards and real information is so they don't get lost in the myths believing them and their getting hurt at the end.

Those standards assume that you are not using another method to time your dive. Again, basing bottom time on a square profile table is more conservative; in other words, safer.

 

[Thombalabomba]

I think what's not landing here is the danger of increasing your mental workload significantly under unknown circumstances when multiple equipment failures occur at the same time.

Everyone here learned to dive on dive tables, the rest is on reddit. Everybody here understands them as well. It's fine to dive on those. I think it's strange to continue a dive without a backup(anything) when you have apparently decided that dive needs backup, which is exactly what you are doing when your primary fails and don't thumb. You're changing your safety standards on the fly. These rules are made for contingencies, you are within rec limits anyway. Accidents usually arrise rom stacked failures. Saying you're fine with those because you are experienced is a bit strange.

Illusory superiority seems to fare quite well here.

Edit: i think the thread has derailed a bit, i'll bow out before frustrations rise.

I like dive watches.

 

[scubaozy]

You are mix-matching things. IF Cousteau wanted the best TOOL for DIVING as you wrote previously and the 1st Dive Computers were the size of a fridge he would wear them

nah, you are twisting it around, Go read what I wrote, not a single use of phrase "dc", "dive computer" nor "computer" until you bring this strange argument up. You will find the phrases "watch", "tool watch", "Descent".
I have full world topology map offline, tides, altimeter, barometer, weather, I can navigate, sail and do countless other adventure stuff with my watch and diving. I cannot think a better watch for an adventurer like him. Some argued that he would use whatever brand that would sponsor him, that, I agree, this is the reality of our times.

Either we discuss about STYLE either TOOLS.

I don’t like to get orders from strangers, especially when they are shouting. Remember, you are responding to my comment where I did not address you, you do not get to tell me what I should be discussing.

Regarding Rolex again, you are confusing things OR your circles are very, very weird. I don't wear any gold chains neither.

Not sure what above means but function of Rolex or a gold chain necklace are roughly same. They are meant to project wealth, success, status and they are objects of financial value that can be exchanged to cash easily.

What the Submariner represents is what many envy and unfortunately cannot afford: THE DIVE WATCH that EVERYBODY recognizes worldwide. You can also get a Blancpain Fifty Fathoms if you prefer to be inconspicuous, it has a very similar history and heritage but is unknown among non-watch lovers.
As I said, wear it for a day and come back to talk again

Submariner is not a dive watch, only, tiny percent of the people wearing it are divers and the most of the ones that are divers do not even dare to take it diving. People buy it because it is like money in the bank and that is not stylish but rather "cheap". This is unfortunately what it radiates to me. Besides, it is also most counterfeited watch, so, it is actually quite accessible. You are right about BP, it is much more beautiful than submariner but it is also huge and heavy for my wrists, I was very close to buying it despite it looked a little funny on my wrist. Anyway, bottom line is I got a Descent mk2i literally same week it was released, its a great dive watch/sportswatch/dc and whole this dive watch topic has come to a happy end for me.

 

[Diver With Altitude]

I think what's not landing here is the danger of increasing your mental workload significantly under unknown circumstances when multiple equipment failures occur at the same time.

Everyone here learned to dive on dive tables, the rest is on reddit. Everybody here understands them as well. It's fine to dive on those. I think it's strange to continue a dive without a backup(anything) when you have apparently decided that dive needs backup, which is exactly what you are doing when your primary fails and don't thumb. You're changing your safety standards on the fly. These rules are made for contingencies, you are within rec limits anyway. Accidents usually arrise rom stacked failures. Saying you're fine with those because you are experienced is a bit strange.

Illusory superiority seems to fare quite well here.

Edit: i think the thread has derailed a bit, i'll bow out before frustrations rise.

I like dive watches.

So, if you’re doing a rec dive (no overhead) with two computers and one fails, you’re going to abort? Are you saying you need a second computer just to surface safely? Otherwise, what’s the point of having a backup?

 

[Thombalabomba]

So, if you’re doing a rec dive (no overhead) with two computers and one fails, you’re going to abort? Are you saying you need a second computer just to surface safely? Otherwise, what’s the point of having a backup?

If i am bringing a backup on a rec dive, which i rarely do, circumstances of the dive are such that i will indeed abort the dive if the primary fails.

 

[Diver With Altitude]

If i am bringing a backup on a rec dive, which i rarely do, circumstances of the dive are such that i will indeed abort the dive if the primary fails.

Well, of course if your only instrument fails, you’re going to abort, but that’s not what we’ve been discussing here. All this time, you’ve been saying that if your primary fails, you abort, but now you say that on rec dives, you don’t even use a backup. Losing a primary on a tec dive is a completely different discussion.