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[Celt]

Appreciate your angle. It was a mess of regulators, consoles and stuff — wasn’t a single piece harness. The stage was bolted to the twinset with the valve upwards. I didn’t see it being worn as I jumped early to make space and had planned a 2h solo dive.

As with every dive, my process — and one hopes everyone here — is to run strict checks validating gas, valves, breathing all regulators, gauges, wing, drysuit, etc., etc. Complicated and 'novel' kit configuration will hamper these checks and underwater procedures.

If a diver is familiar and competent with a rig and sets it up to suit themselves that’s the best way for them. A console puts depth, contents and time in one place, the rig has nothing to do with how you do checks. A one piece harness may not suit everyone and a quick release shoulder buckle does. Because it looks novel to you doesn’t mean the user isn’t perfectly happy with it.

 

[jborg]

If a diver is familiar and competent with a rig and sets it up to suit themselves that’s the best way for them. A console puts depth, contents and time in one place, the rig has nothing to do with how you do checks. A one piece harness may not suit everyone and a quick release shoulder buckle does. Because it looks novel to you doesn’t mean the user isn’t perfectly happy with it.

Are you saying there's no real qualitative difference between different kinds of rig setup; six second stages spread over three individual backmounted tanks is just as good and safe as a regular twinset-longhose setup, as long as the diver considers themself comfortable with their setup?

If not, and we agree there are some things that are objectively better than others, where do we draw the line? If three individual rec setups on my back is fine, is it OK to dive with 25 spare airs in a net bag? At what point can I safely say "my dude, you should not be diving that"?

 

[Celt]

Are you saying there's no real qualitative difference between different kinds of rig setup; six second stages spread over three individual backmounted tanks is just as good and safe as a regular twinset-longhose setup, as long as the diver considers themself comfortable with their setup?

If not, and we agree there are some things that are objectively better than others, where do we draw the line? If three individual rec setups on my back is fine, is it OK to dive with 25 spare airs in a net bag? At what point can I safely say "my dude, you should not be diving that"?

I think I actually addressed all the points you’ve made in the post you quoted, there’s as many differences in rig setup as there are people. If a particular setup doesn’t suit you, use what does. Who said there was six seconds spread over three individual tanks. “a twinset/doubles but with a hard 7 litre (55cf??) stage bolted to the side of the twinset -- “ in other words a 7ltr stage carried with a twinset, that’s what I read.

 

[jborg]

I think I actually addressed all the points you’ve made in the post you quoted, there’s as many differences in rig setup as there are people. If a particular setup doesn’t suit you, use what does. Who said there was six seconds spread over three individual tanks. “a twinset/doubles but with a hard 7 litre (55cf??) stage bolted to the side of the twinset -- “ in other words a 7ltr stage carried with a twinset, that’s what I read.

Wibble said "three recreational style regulator sets with console gauges", which I interpret as three first stages, each with one primary, one octo ("recreational style"), and a console.

However, I don't think you answered the question. Any setup is good, as long as the one diving it is happy? Nothing is objectively bad or dangerous?

 

[Celt]

Wibble said "three recreational style regulator sets with console gauges", which I interpret as three first stages, each with one primary, one octo ("recreational style"), and a console.

However, I don't think you answered the question. Any setup is good, as long as the one diving it is happy? Nothing is objectively bad or dangerous?

Please reread what I said (If a diver is familiar and competent with a rig and sets it up to suit themselves that’s the best way for them.) A twinset and stage will carry three first stages as standard.

 

[jborg]

Please reread what I said (If a diver is familiar and competent with a rig and sets it up to suit themselves that’s the best way for them.)

I read that. You're saying there's nothing objectively right or wrong beyond what someone decides for themselves. I think that's incorrect; I mean, looking beyond the horizon of diving for just a second, that's why we have laws, social norms, and a civilisation in general.

 

[Wibble]

Please reread what I said (If a diver is familiar and competent with a rig and sets it up to suit themselves that’s the best way for them.) A twinset and stage will carry three first stages as standard.

The rig I mentioned above had at least 5 second stages as a couple of recreational reg sets with consoles had been attached to the twinset. I think the 'deco' stage had a recreational set with one reg and a SPG.

The great thing about the longhose or sidemount configuration is that there's only two regs from the primary sources: you know which side you're breathing from (one's necklaced, the other isn't); you know where the valves are to do shutdowns.

 

[The Chairman]

where do we draw the line?

With ourselves. With only ourselves. We're not the dive or cave police. Dive and let dive. I only give advice if I'm asked for it.

 

[Celt]

The rig I mentioned above had at least 5 second stages as a couple of recreational reg sets with consoles had been attached to the twinset. I think the 'deco' stage had a recreational set with one reg and a SPG.

Picturing that rig I would ask myself why?

 

[Litefoot]

Obviously this guy wasn’t changing his configuration at that point no matter what @Wibble or anyone else would have suggested. I’m too busy setting up and checking my own gear to notice anyone else’s stuff. But if I do see someone about to launch into the deep with something obviously wrong (releases unfastened, bc not inflated, hose tangled/kinked, etc) I’m going to say something. I don’t care if they’re pissed off about it.