Disturbing trend in diving?

[NW Dive Dawg]

I say dive and let dive. Supposedly these "customers" are certified divers and if their instructor / teaching agency was worth their salt, then they were taught the importance of self reliance and self responsibility......even when diving with a buddy. If these certified divers then later decide to ignore their education and bet their lives on a DM's profile, then so be it.

The only real problem I see is if one of these snowflakes ends up having to be rescued and puts someone else's life in danger.

 

[Nemrod]

^^^^^What he said ^^^^^

 

[Nemrod]

Hi, Flabbergasted, welcome to the 21st century. Committing to a hobby is so last century. Now they want to do a bit of everything, aka 'experiences', without learning more than they absolutely need to. They're OK with guides but not with spending the time needed to learn independence.

And ^^^^^ What he said ^^^^^!

 

[Blackcrusader]

What happens if a group of OW divers with no computers follow a divemaster and he blows it and goes into deco and then gets locked out.
Then what?

Shearwater computers do not lock divers out if they went into deco and missed a deco obligation.

Not all computers work the exact same way.

 

[The Chairman]

I say dive and let dive.

Sounds like something I said before. Dive and let dive... dealing with different styles of diving.

The only real problem I see is if one of these snowflakes ends up having to be rescued and puts someone else's life in danger.

Been there, rescued that!

All my dives have been guided

Break out of the herd! On dives where they say you HAVE to have a guide, I just keep them in my periphery, but I dive my own dive. I won't be part of the group crowded around a critter, waiting for my ten seconds to grab a pic. I'm there to explore and want to find my own critters on my own terms.

 

[Centrals]

Shearwater computers do not lock divers out if they went into deco and missed a deco obligation.

Not all computers work the exact same way.

Computer does not get DCS but diver will or even pay with their own live.
Computer/table is just a tool. I do not believe you understand it.

What will happen if the diver who had missed the deco obligation decided to do another dive soon afterward?

 

[Diver-Drex]

I’ve had good conversations with a couple of Caribbean dive op owners about the hand holding. I grew up diving in Jersey in the 80’s and still today, you are on your own and there is no DM in the water. NC and the St Lawrence are the same way. Dives I have done in Florida were mixed. The Caribbean has been 100% DM led dives.

The responses were 1. Risk mitigation and 2. Time management.

DMs know the dive sites, the depth and NDL and the dives are planned conservatively in terms of gas consumption. If the group follows the DM, the risk is greatly reduced for a group of divers with vastly variable experience and skill. And dive ops are on a schedule. Having a full boat scatter and do their own thing can be not only a risk but a time suck waiting on or picking up divers that don’t make there way back to the boat.

 

[The Chairman]

What will happen if the diver who had missed the deco obligation decided to do another dive soon afterward?

I guess it depends on the dive. I was once driven off of a deco stop by thousands of moon jellies. I got hit on both ears and it was painful. The next dive was max 30fsw, and I hopped in. There was lots to see in the 20 ft range, but no jellies. Somehow, I managed not to die. I know, I know, it was certainly close.

 

[Divin'Papaw]

I am relatively frequently asked about dive computers off SE Florida Charters. Several times per year it is why is my computer not working and the answer is that you are in violation gauge mode. I get a number of other questions and try to answer them, being most familier with Oceanic and Shearwater computers.

Sometimes I will run into a customer on a boat in SE Florida who constantly dives 5-15' deeper than me or in some cases the guide. They then are perplexed by why their computer is "cutting short their NDL". Do I try and explain to them that everyone on the dive does not get the same NDL? That the precise depth accumulated over the course of a dive matters a lot? Not to mention variation in algorithms and conservancy settings. Sometimes, as long as they seem truly interested in learning. But other times I just mind my own business, especially with the cocky know-it-all types. I just let them think I'm superhuman and that's why I am always one of the last back on the boat.

 

[Eric Sedletzky]

As was already explained, if the DM goes into deco, he is going to clear it by doing the deco that the computer wants. If the customers followed along, they would presumably do the same thing. As long as you don't mis required deco, you can keep diving all day long.

Are you familiar with using dive computers for decompression dives?

gas supply?