You are being paranoid. If I were on a cruise with all my gear back home, and had a 2-tank boat dive with DFB on my Bonaire stop, I wouldn't have a problem not renting a DC and "just staying with the guide". Of course I've dived with them enough times to trust their DMs to not try to bend their customers; I may not be as trusting with other ops in other places. Also of course I'd be sailing away in the evening and not diving in the next 24 hours.
Disturbing trend in diving?
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You are being paranoid. If I were on a cruise with all my gear back home, and had a 2-tank boat dive with DFB on my Bonaire stop, I wouldn't have a problem not renting a DC and "just staying with the guide". Of course I've dived with them enough times to trust their DMs to not try to bend their customers; I may not be as trusting with other ops in other places. Also of course I'd be sailing away in the evening and not diving in the next 24 hours.
Scuba-74
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It's not. I was certified 21 years ago.
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Eric Sedletzky
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What I would do in a case where my computer crapped out half through a dive would be to go to my back up computer that was on my person the whole time
If I did switch to tables after a computer crapped out I would try to remember the deepest depth I was at before it took a crap and use the max pressure group on the table. So for instance, if I was at 70 something feet I would pick the max pressure group from 80' which would be pressure group R and then I'd have to just do the calculations after a surface interval and the be stuck doing a square profile dive from then on out, but at least I'd be diving. And maybe clear for a couple hours instead of just one.
But if the computer crapped on say the 3rd dive or after some already challenging dives, then I'd stop for the day and start with my tables fresh in the morning.
...certainly not ideal, but at least I'd be diving.
Leatherboot69
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What I would do in a case where my computer crapped out half through a dive would be to go to my back up computer that was on my person the whole time
If I did switch to tables after a computer crapped out I would try to remember the deepest depth I was at before it took a crap and use the max pressure group on the table. So for instance, if I was at 70 something feet I would pick the max pressure group from 80' which would be pressure group R and then I'd have to just do the calculations after a surface interval and the be stuck doing a square profile dive from then on out, but at least I'd be diving. And maybe clear for a couple hours instead of just one.
But if the computer crapped on say the 3rd dive or after some already challenging dives, then I'd stop for the day and start with my tables fresh in the morning.
...certainly not ideal, but at least I'd be diving.
Of course a back up computer is the ideal option
I just haven’t been diving long enough to have upgraded to a second computer yet
I'm confused then. How is it a disturbing new trend if it was going on 21 years go?
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Eric Sedletzky
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It's disturbing trend because even though it may have been going on it was news to me, therefore to me it was a new trend.
...and even after twenty three pages I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around it.
If it was only a pressure gauge (no compass), than it's not a console, just an SPG (submersible pressure gauge). But compass/SPG is a common combo from what I've seen.
I've only got 9 dives in yet, but during my certification dive, I was like "I do NOT want a console!". They are big, bulky, and I can't get the console as far away from me as I want for the compass. If they combine a computer, compass, and SPG they are giant and even worse IMO. I already had bought a computer so I could use it during the cert dives, and I quickly bought a wrist mounted compass. Then I bought some regulators. The prior owner put only an SPG on them, which was perfect, because that was my plan.
I plan to take my regulators everywhere, so I don't need to worry about having a giant console I don't want. Well, more importantly, I am taking my regulators with me because I don't want crappy rental regulators, the lack of a console is a side benefit. My plan is as I buy more gear, all will come with me on dive trips, except tanks and weights if flying.
Tipping in Colombia for diving is not widespread.I’ve experienced the same thing and I have been told it is a tip thing. They feel that if they don’t take care of your gear every time you won’t feel obligated to tip them, and they want — need, really — to be tipped.
My problem was: I didn’t like the way they were treating my gear….
I haven't been to many "vacation diving" places. The couple I have visited, both required customers to have (or rent) a computer. They also expected divers to be able to look after themselves during the dive. There was a DM leading the group, showing interesting things and so on but not really holding anyones hand except on one occasion when a diver had just completed the OW course and was doing his first dive after the course. He was given special attention by the DM.
That said, I have no doubt there are plenty of divers who have the card but don't really have the skills and rely on pros to take care of them underwater. They follow the pros around, look at nice things underwater and never think any more about what they are doing.
I think the biggest contributing factor is that a 3 day vacation course is really not enough to give you the skills to TRULY be an "autonomous" diver (or what ever it is called by different agencies). It is enough to go thru those skills, but not enough to really learn them. Most divers start out like this and if their dives are done with someone else taking care of everything for them, they will never learn more and also forget a lot of the things that they were taught during their training, because a skill not used is soon forgotten.
That said, I have no doubt there are plenty of divers who have the card but don't really have the skills and rely on pros to take care of them underwater. They follow the pros around, look at nice things underwater and never think any more about what they are doing.
I think the biggest contributing factor is that a 3 day vacation course is really not enough to give you the skills to TRULY be an "autonomous" diver (or what ever it is called by different agencies). It is enough to go thru those skills, but not enough to really learn them. Most divers start out like this and if their dives are done with someone else taking care of everything for them, they will never learn more and also forget a lot of the things that they were taught during their training, because a skill not used is soon forgotten.
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