DIR vs Hogarthian
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BVickery
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From the GUE perspective,
This is up to the instructor, I'd suggest finding one close to you and asking them. (There is an instructor list on the GUE website)
I did mine over two weekends, but I'm fortunate that I have a local instructor.
I don't know about UTD.
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You could also do a GUE Vacation, visit Palm Beach, have a GUE Instructor like Errok K or Bob Sherwood...stay at an awesome Hotel on the beach for about a hundred a night ( which you can split)....and get in some of the best adventure dives you are ever likely to be on...
You would have to plan on a class that is being planned.
As to the nonsense about this being tech only, we know it is not, you know it is not, and it does not matter too much if the local shop has not expanded their awareness yet
I go on different charter boats all the time, with people from all over the US and the world on them.....people do not stare....and most really don't think much about anything other than their own stuff anyway....If a diver comes on a boat and acts like their gear is the holy Grail, the attitude will be obnoxious enough to get the attention of other divers, and a less than ideal interaction could ensue. I don't give my gear any attention --treat it like it is what everyone has seen a million times, and that is how most will receive it. Mine is a Halcyon 19 pound lift wing and BP..with long hose and necklace reg of course.
When someone buddies with you, and sees that you kick once and glide for 8 feet, for their kicking 10 times in the same interval, with no glide--some will want to know what you have done that they are not doing....
It is not about flash, it is about function. Some people would be happy riding in the mountains of italy with a 70 pound beach cruiser..and other would prefer the function of a carbon fiber race bike....I have never , ever seen a diver uncomfortable about diving with any of us in our Bp and wings. Never.
Thanks for the encouraging advice! I've tried to keep the mentality that if the overwhelming advice from these boards is completely contrary to why my instructor or LDS says then I will take it with a grain of salt, however, still being new to the sport had me a little worried about missing some key advice.
However, based from the advice some people have lent me I think I'm just going to slowly build a hog rig and just try and get as many dives under my belt as I can. I am slated to start my AOW a week or so after my OW so hopefully I can build my confidence in the water and in my gear during those dives. Hopefully I can develop the skills necessary to follow through with a DIR-F course
However, based from the advice some people have lent me I think I'm just going to slowly build a hog rig and just try and get as many dives under my belt as I can. I am slated to start my AOW a week or so after my OW so hopefully I can build my confidence in the water and in my gear during those dives. Hopefully I can develop the skills necessary to follow through with a DIR-F course
eelnoraa
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This is between your and the instructors. Different instructors may prefer different setup for course. But you can usually work with the them and come to some agreements on the format.
In my DIR-F, it was spread across 2 weekends with one free weekend in between. Total time is about 5.5 days. It starts on a Thursday afternoon to Sunday. Then one weekend off. We went back for open water dive the weekend after. The half day Thusday was a "8 hour half day" from noon to about 8pm. The full days were 12 hours, 8am to 8pm. It include gear check, swimming test, diving, video review, course lecture. The free weekend in between is for us to either take a rest, or go practice. I have seen course that spread out further.
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Different instructors offer Fundamentals in different formats. Our local instructor here likes to break the class up into two weekends, which works very well for people who are local, but can be difficult for those who travel a long distance to take the class.
I would contact Steve Blanchard, who is your Ottawa GUE person, and ask him how he likes to do things, and whether he has any other suggestions for you for training.
Oh, and although it's back a ways in the thread, I'd like to address the "military versus religious" characterization, and say that in my view, DIR is neither. The essence of the military is doing what you are told; the essence of religion is taking things on faith. In the DIR system, there is a good reason for every decision, and anyone teaching or mentoring you should be able to articulate it. In some cases, there is no "best" decision, but one was adopted in the interests of standardization, and the rationale behind selecting that option is still known and can be stated.
This comes down to the discussion earlier about canister/HID/LED lights. The REQUIREMENT is that you have a light with an adequate brightness and burn time for the dive you contemplate doing. For a lot of longer technical or cave dives, that still means having a battery on a canister, but for some dives, a light on the back of the hand is enough. The Goodman handle is pretty much required, because there are some functions which require having both hands free and useful and still having a light, and others where you may need to move the light from hand to hand temporarily (thus making the "light sock" type arrangements less than ideal). If you are using a 7' hose and NOT using a canister, then you have to come up with a method of securing the excess length of the long hose, which can be a knife, pocket, or other device on your right hip, or simply folding the hose and stuffing it through your waistband.
"DIR" is not the unthinking lockstep that some people envision it as being. Single tanks are fine; diving without a light is fine if you are diving in an environment where a light is not useful. Anyone thinking about the system should really make contact with someone who understands it before making judgments.
I would contact Steve Blanchard, who is your Ottawa GUE person, and ask him how he likes to do things, and whether he has any other suggestions for you for training.
Oh, and although it's back a ways in the thread, I'd like to address the "military versus religious" characterization, and say that in my view, DIR is neither. The essence of the military is doing what you are told; the essence of religion is taking things on faith. In the DIR system, there is a good reason for every decision, and anyone teaching or mentoring you should be able to articulate it. In some cases, there is no "best" decision, but one was adopted in the interests of standardization, and the rationale behind selecting that option is still known and can be stated.
This comes down to the discussion earlier about canister/HID/LED lights. The REQUIREMENT is that you have a light with an adequate brightness and burn time for the dive you contemplate doing. For a lot of longer technical or cave dives, that still means having a battery on a canister, but for some dives, a light on the back of the hand is enough. The Goodman handle is pretty much required, because there are some functions which require having both hands free and useful and still having a light, and others where you may need to move the light from hand to hand temporarily (thus making the "light sock" type arrangements less than ideal). If you are using a 7' hose and NOT using a canister, then you have to come up with a method of securing the excess length of the long hose, which can be a knife, pocket, or other device on your right hip, or simply folding the hose and stuffing it through your waistband.
"DIR" is not the unthinking lockstep that some people envision it as being. Single tanks are fine; diving without a light is fine if you are diving in an environment where a light is not useful. Anyone thinking about the system should really make contact with someone who understands it before making judgments.
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