DIR vs Hogarthian

[MKrauter]

... there's diverging opinions on whether or not that's a good idea too ... depends on what you want to get out of AOW, for the most part ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

I would like to take the course because it offers the chance to do more advanced diving while still under the tutelage of an instructor. I also would like to take it to get more dives logged as well as different styles of dives logged (night, deeper ie. up to 100' I believe, navigation work, etc)

 

[Superlyte27]

This is easy...
The Hogarthian rig came from a guy who is still loved and respected by the cave diving community.
The DIR Philosophy came from a guy who is despised by most of the cave diving community.


Just kidding.... sorta

 

[chrpai]

With regards to how many tec divers have had to sell gear and buy different, well, when you become a tec diver (if you do), you will see that you will probably sell some stuff too. I would think it's extremely rare that someone walks in to a dive shop thinking something like "yep, im gonna be a tec diver someday...may as well get that BP/W and long hose reg right now!" The reality is that very few tec divers are around compared to recreational divers and very few dive shop employees are tec divers. They sell what they know, and shy away from what they don't know about.

Well, I'm petty sure you know exactly what I dive. I don't think there's any thing major in my bag that would need to go. Sure I'd need to O2 clean a few things and add a few things such as doubles and a dry suit being the most expensive I can think of....

Mind you this isn't because I'm perfect or something. It's just that I've already lived that "crap, why did they tell me to buy that?" moment.

 

[Doppler]

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[DaleC]

Back to the canlights for a moment:

I didn't (still don't) have the money to buy a strong can and saw many divers selling their weaker ones so I never got around to purchasing one. Since that time I have gotten into videography and actually have the problem of trying to diffuse even my moderately focused beam (UK light cannon). My next light will be video specific and still not a can.

So.. while a canlight may seem like the "perfect" light even for rec diving it all depends on what you are going to do down there. There are times when it just gets in the way of the lighting you actually need.

 

[TSandM]

Superlyte, what about a simple backplate and harness system, long hose, non-split fins, strong personal skills, standardized gases, ascent protocols and emergency procedures, and a commitment to diving as a team do you find to be worth of depising?

Honestly, I think an awful lot of the cave and technical instructors out there teach something with a lot of similarities to the DIR approach, but less stringently standardized, and not quite as conservative when it comes to risk control. You may not like the GUE people you know, but is that a good reason to be so unpleasant about the diving strategy itself?

 

[Dr. Lecter]

The DIR Philosophy came from a guy who is despised by most of the cave diving community.

I'd love to know how you got from the guy to the philosophy itself, based on what he actually said.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Back to the canlights for a moment:

I didn't (still don't) have the money to buy a strong can and saw many divers selling their weaker ones so I never got around to purchasing one. Since that time I have gotten into videography and actually have the problem of trying to diffuse even my moderately focused beam (UK light cannon). My next light will be video specific and still not a can.

So.. while a canlight may seem like the "perfect" light even for rec diving it all depends on what you are going to do down there. There are times when it just gets in the way of the lighting you actually need.

Off topic, Dale ... but you might want to consider talking to this guy ... Dusty's lights, canister dive lights - Under The Sound Photography

Dusty makes a very affordable (and very bright) light. Several of my students use them, and they're real happy with 'em. Perhaps not sturdy enough to take the abuse a good cave light has to take ... but for recreational level diving, it's an awful lot of light (brighter than my 21W Salvo HID) for about the same price as a Light Cannon ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Superlyte27]

It was a joke, don't put too much thought into it. I certainly didn't.

 

[chrpai]

Not as pretty, but FWIW these are kick butt lights also:

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/cl...ght-15-wt-1000-lumen-dir-liio-tight-beam.html

I've done 4 1+ hour dives in a single day in Lake Travis and not notice any reduction in light output.