DIR vs Hogarthian

[daniel f aleman]

Talk about getting ahead of one's self. OP, take your AOW course and then go make two-hundred dives before you take any other instruction.

And the real answer is this: Hogarthian is about equipment choices based on what is needed for the dive; DIR is whatever Jarrod Jablonski says it is.

 

[fnfalman]

Talk about getting ahead of one's self. OP, take your AOW course and then go make two-hundred dives before you take any other instruction.

And the real answer is this: Hogarthian is about equipment choices based on what is needed for the dive; DIR is whatever Jarrod Jablonski says it is.

excellent post!!!

 

[boulderjohn]

Talk about getting ahead of one's self. OP, take your AOW course and then go make two-hundred dives before you take any other instruction.

And the real answer is this: Hogarthian is about equipment choices based on what is needed for the dive; DIR is whatever Jarrod Jablonski says it is.

Jarrod Jablonski and GUE no longer use the term DIR, and Jarrod has said so clearly. UTD still uses the term DIR, although in some official publications I have seen it called UTD DIR (or something like that), as if to differentiate it from the original DIR. (Yes, there are differences.)

 

[ferris213]

Talk about getting ahead of one's self. OP, take your AOW course and then go make two-hundred dives before you take any other instruction.[/I]

What reason could you have for advising a new diver against further training? It is his money to spend, and he won't be instructing or guiding others.

Is it so bad to learn the correct way of doing things before you spend 200 dives practising? (I'm talking about training in general, not just DIR)

 

[DaleC]

I understand Daniels sentiment though I would not suggest 200 dives between training.

At this point the OP doesn't even know if he will like diving, through experience, and some time in the water doing simple, shallow, straight forward dives would be good for developing basic skills and confidence. If you want some guidance either join a club, do shop sponsored dives or find some easy going rec divers to team up with. I took my AOW after OW and in retrospect, found it to be one big OW course. I am (perhaps) a little jaded by the lack of content delivered to have it considered advanced though that is just my opinion YMMV.

Some people take to DIR style diving early and some don't. I have a friend who did so and he still is active there (soon taking his Tech 1). It fits and he found his home there, I found mine somewhere else and we are still friends and dive together occasionally.

After some dives, if the OP decides he does like diving and wants to go down that path, he could seek out a UTD group and grow through their training regime which starts at either primer or essentials (I could be corrected but I know it is basic OW diving level). In my area I get a sense that UTD is really aiming at serving the rec as well as tech community.

 

[Superlyte27]

I think he's saying "go dive" because the guy really needs to "go dive". Also, his chances of passing a DIR/F course are slim to none. Will he pick up some skills and some tips and tricks to making diving better? Sure, but my 10 year old son who has more dives than the OP could also show him tips and tricks, and a 10 year old won't cost you $400+. Go dive man, have fun and revisit the fundies thing in another 100 dives or so. Find a good mentor, or a dive buddy with solid skills. Save yourself some money now for classes you'll actually pass later.

Just my 2 cents. Doubt it's worth even that much.

 

[TSandM]

I think getting diving experience is absolutely key to becoming a good diver. However, 200 dives ingraining bad diving habits just means a lot of work to do down the road. So, if you are going to dive actively, getting some guidance on how to have better posture, kick more efficiently, avoid hand use, control buoyancy and maintaining your situational awareness is not a bad thing to do early. Although I am a GUE diver and very happy that way, I do realize that's not the only way to get training in good diving habits. It's just that the content and standards of a Fundamentals class are pretty predictable across the board, and it's much harder to make a blanket recommendation for another class that will give someone like the OP the same kind of instruction.

It is QUITE possible to take Fundies and not become a brainless automaton. Bob did it . . .

 

[danvolker]

I think he's saying "go dive" because the guy really needs to "go dive". Also, his chances of passing a DIR/F course are slim to none. Will he pick up some skills and some tips and tricks to making diving better? Sure, but my 10 year old son who has more dives than the OP could also show him tips and tricks, and a 10 year old won't cost you $400+. Go dive man, have fun and revisit the fundies thing in another 100 dives or so. Find a good mentor, or a dive buddy with solid skills. Save yourself some money now for classes you'll actually pass later.

Just my 2 cents. Doubt it's worth even that much.

If the OP could get a hundred dives with some good new divers/mentors....then he would be in awesome shape.....
Just taking an AOW from an "average" shop( if there is any such thing) is not likely to change the diver much at all from the BOW cub scout badge skills...

Taking Fundies or even the Primer, WOULD cause major changes in the OP's diving.

Still my preferred solution would be the mentor relationship with some good divers.
In this vein, one of the local phenomenons in South Florida is FLUE , and largely thanks to Kathy Dickers, divers wanting mentoring can dive with some excellent GUE divers at the BHB and on some easy shallow boat dives, and gain mentoring for free....and this includes drilling and many very advanced teaching aids, but offered free by mentors....people that just want to give back to the dive community and to have a nice social group of divers.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Lynne's got a good point. I had about 900 dives when I took Fundies. Lamont ... who was one of my teammates for that class ... had about 25 dives. In some respects, he had a much easier time with the class than I did ... having no real expectations or previously-developed bad habits to overcome.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[rongoodman]

I might have missed it, but did the OP say where he was from? If it's anywhere near the NYC-Hartford area, I've got a great recommendation for him for some DIRish training.

If anyone knows of any DIR/Hog. based instructors in SW Ontario (Windsor area) please please please let me know. The closest DIR-F course I could find is happening in Ottawa, an easy 11hr drive away...

As Emily Latella used to say, "Never mind".