DIR, NAUI TEC - Gear configs

[Bismark]

Reading posts by Nereas reminds me of reading the press releases by the former Minister of Information in Iraq in the early 90's. Really funny to read and pretty much mostly out of touch with reality. I like the wrestling with the pig in the mud analogy myself.........

 

[ucfdiver]

NAUI should have trained you not to have anything dangling from your gear, under the "C" for "clips" of the ABCD dive-prep mnemonic.

If you were trained by PADI then you probably still need to "Put Another Dollar In" (called "peak performance buoyancy") before they will clean you up so that you don't still look like a scorpion fish with gear dangling everywhere and dragging your console.

Playing recreational agencies against each other, cute. ANY diver knows it's the instructor, not the agency, especially with rec training.

Don't get all worried about the "streamlining" debate, which is code for currents within caves. If you never dive a cave, then streamlining is unlikely to be a significant issue.

If you buy a DPV, then streamlining is nice, but again not critical to anything, unless you are racing against your buddies with their DPVs.

Streamlining simplifies your diving (usually), and improves your SAC rate. Why wait until you own a DPV?

DIR has been hijacked by GUE to coin their own version of cave diving. This phrase has fallen out of favor except for an unpopular group who are ultra-conformist and anti-individualist in their methods.

How do you hijack something that you did a large part in the creation of?

"Hogarthian" is what most people call their configuration today, when they do not want to be sullied by "DIR."

hogarthian is a gear setup, DIR goes way beyond that (hence why I want to take fundies).

Aim for hogarthian. And then you will be a better diver.

Gear is not what makes the diver.

NAUI Tech is for those who want to tackle caves or SCRs or deco. If you want to become a tech diver, that is where you would go.

Hugh? Why would you blindly ignore TDI IANTD GUE, etc?

And you're right, that there are no caves in the PNW. Since you are not diving in the WKPP, then it makes little sense that you would be diving GUE-DIR.

GUE-DIR is cave oriented, and a mismatch for open water shipwreck diving.

Britannic 99 | Global Underwater Explorers

And I sure would not depend on GUE's "deco on the fly." Most of the people whom I know ended up in the hyperbaric recompression chambre were using this when they got hit. They always blame themselves by saying "something must be wrong with me because deco on the fly should have worked."

But it does not work, at least not very well.

Do you really believe this?

And since a 3 person "team" can quickly end up as a cluster, you might want to practice solo tech diving, with all its independent redundancy (2 computers), in case you end up alone and separated from your GUE buddies.

Now you're encouraging solo tech diving? Those of us who CAN find dive buddies don't have to do this. I'm sure you struggle to find them, however. I've never had an issue diving a 3 person team.

Good man!

Warning: you will be required to think for yourself now, however, when you read them. Thinking for yourself could be hazardous if you are not used to it.

How have you made it this long, then?

The best diver on this Earth whom I know is AG, and even he broke away from GUE. That simply says it all.

No, it doesn't. The incident is fairly well publicized if anyone wants to do research on it, but let's not stretch the truth to support your opinions.

 

[nereas]

Reading posts by Nereas reminds me of reading the press releases by the former Minister of Information in Iraq in the early 90's. Really funny to read and pretty much mostly out of touch with reality. I like the wrestling with the pig in the mud analogy myself.........

Fallacy of ad hominem. Reading your posts is like kindergarten.

 

[nereas]

TRAINED 3 person teams are a pleasure, and I have no need, and no intention of practicing solo diving. In the last 400 or so dives, I've had one separation event, and it was as the result of a strong updraft in current along a wall. We executed the buddy separation protocol, and reunited about 20 feet above where we started.

One of the worst local DCS cases I know was with someone who wouldn't touch Ratio Deco with a ten foot pole. NO decompression strategy works for all people and all dives. Decompression is to a frightening extent voodoo, and RD works as well as anything else does, if properly understood and implemented, at least as far as I can tell.

I don't know why I've gotten sucked into this -- It comes under the category of mud wrestling with a pig. You get dirty, and the pig enjoys it.

TSM I am sure you would look very beautiful even mudwrestling.

 

[nereas]

... NAUI Tech and GUE are so fundamentally similar in their approach to tech diving in the first place.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

What a crock!

Freedom to teach in totally inconsistent with GUE.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

What a crock!

Freedom to teach in totally inconsistent with GUE.

Hmmmm ... I recommend you read the requirements for NAUI Tech ... you seem to be confusing it with their recreational program.

Nereas ... I'm a NAUI Instructor and a NAUI trained tech diver. Please stop making a fool of yourself and learn something about their programs before pretending to know about them.

And do yourself a favor and stop talking about GUE altogether ... it's obvious that you learned everything you "know" about GUE by reading Internet forums ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

 

[Blackwood]

The best diver on this Earth whom I know is AG, and even he broke away from GUE. That simply says it all.

Interesting you should invoke his name. How does he figure deco?

Nonsense ... if you know how to manage your gas properly there is never a reason to need a snorkel while scuba diving. I've managed to log more than 2,000 dives in just about every conceivable condition without ever wishing I had one.

Scenario: You are diving a wall in no current. Straight rock bottom applies. Your buddy has a catastrophic (loss of gas) failure at Dmax. It takes a minute or so to sort out and has the both of you breathing heavily on the ascent (which goes as planned). You surface in heavy chop. How much gas do you have left?

 

[danvolker]

Interesting you should invoke his name. How does he figure deco?




Scenario: You are diving a wall in no current. Straight rock bottom applies. Your buddy has a catastrophic (loss of gas) failure at Dmax. It takes a minute or so to sort out and has the both of you breathing heavily on the ascent (which goes as planned). You surface in heavy chop. How much gas do you have left?

I have no idea why you would be breathing heavily on ascent..the problem is so easy to remedy, it is ridiculous..even basic open water divers can handle a buddy losing air, and not start breathing hard.....
Dan

 

[Blackwood]

I have no idea why you would be breathing heavily on ascent..the problem is so easy to remedy, it is ridiculous..even basic open water divers can handle a buddy losing air, and not start breathing hard.....
Dan

Stress?

In general, I agree. I was just spelling out the worst case assumptions that go into most rock bottom calculations (often including an increased per diver consumption rate). Replace it with having to dip completely into thirds if you wish. The end result it surfacing more-or-less empty.

 

[TSandM]

You know, back in the days when I was using a snorkel, I found that trying to use one when the surface is really choppy wasn't significantly better than just timing my breathing for when my head is out of the water. The water would splash over the end of the snorkel, and I'd get a mouth full of water instead of air. Unlike breathing without one, though, there wasn't necessarily any warning it was going to happen, because some waves would get in and others not. At any rate, I decided it was easier to manage breathing in chop without it than with it.