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Well, at least if DIR gets so diluted this way then any one who would have started one of those "DIR is insulting to me as a non-DIR diver" can just go out and get themselves a PADI DIR diver specialist course and won't need to start that particular thread again...
 
I think that the travesty arises when students are woefully mislead into thinking that they are receiving training equivalent to another agency. I've seen this when you see the contradiction between how these poor students say they have been trained versus how they perform when underwater. I know that GUE instructors go through a fairly scrutinizing process in their IDC and IE. I do strongly believe that it is in the details which sets the quality of their classes apart from an average Joe like myself showing someone some skills. For instance, my GUE-trained dive mentors and buddies could show me the concepts and techniques, but they all HIGHLY recommended that I take GUE-Fundamentals as there were likely details and nuances I was missing by not receiving the formal training from a certified instructor. Boy were they right. Even after diving the system a year with buddies, the formal classes polished and taught me so many aspects of my diving as well as providing me a better blueprint and goal for continuing to train and improve myself along a particular pathway.

Like I said earlier, if you want Chinese food, don't go to a Mexican restaurant. Different instructors teach different dive philosophies. I don't think that one is necessarily better than the other, they're just different, and you have to select what works best for your purposes. I've pretty much only had two very different training agencies instruct me: LA County and GUE. Both were great, and I really appreciate aspects of both. I wouldn't go to LA County seeking GUE training, and I wouldn't go to GUE seeking LA County training. I would also be sorely disappointed if my instructors in each of the respective agencies were to misrepresent themselves teaching equivalent training of the other, and I am glad that they do not.

FWIW, I also hate the term DIR. I don't really even know what that means, and I know that I don't always do everything right. I'm pretty far from perfect underwater.
 
It's not up to the instructor. It's up to the agency. The agency is the entity that puts the standards.

Actually that is not true with all agencies. Some allow their instructors to set higher standards of performance and knowledge if it will benefit the student. My AOW course as of now is nowhere near the current standards for content, prerequisites, and exit requirements. It far surpasses them in every area. In order to receive certification they must meet not only agency standards but mine as well. And if things progress as I hope many, if not all, of my standards will become agency standards as well as I have been asked to rework the agency standards to reflect the higher overall requirements and mission of our agency. I have posted in other threads that I do not know if every recommendation will be approved but it will not affect the way my classes are conducted. Unless they put in some tougher than mine in which case I'll go by theirs in those areas.
 
Actually that is not true with all agencies. Some allow their instructors to set higher standards of performance and knowledge if it will benefit the student. My AOW course as of now is nowhere near the current standards for content, prerequisites, and exit requirements. It far surpasses them in every area. In order to receive certification they must meet not only agency standards but mine as well. And if things progress as I hope many, if not all, of my standards will become agency standards as well as I have been asked to rework the agency standards to reflect the higher overall requirements and mission of our agency. I have posted in other threads that I do not know if every recommendation will be approved but it will not affect the way my classes are conducted. Unless they put in some tougher than mine in which case I'll go by theirs in those areas.
Actually I was replying to Lynn when she said: "It's a debated issue everywhere except in the DIR community. This is why such a class is unlikely to be a real "DIR" class -- the person teaching will pick and choose the parts he likes of the system, and it simply doesn't work that way."

So I was trying to stress the fact that the instructor is not supposed to pick and choose. You pointed out that in some agencies the instructor has the flexibility to add, but still not to pick and choose.
 
 
Any agency can set up any specialty class they want. But as for offering a DIR class, it boils down to the question ... "who's going to teach it"?

You can't teach a DIR class unless you have DIR skills. Very few mainstream agency instructors do.

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 

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