DIR Class: The Truth Comes Out

[DeepScuba]

EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY BIGDRIVER69


The BEST post yet in this forum.

You have NAILED it 100% BIG-TIME.

Exactly what I have been saying re the use of computers. The lowest common denominator, and how do you feel, and inferior deco models are all Bull-Pucky, Red-herrings and worthy of the big BS flag.

Of COURSE he won't rescind the discouraging the use of computers........it's typical of the "My way or the highway" mentality of the elite divers syndrome. They leave ZERO room for improvement of their own model........What a shame.

This is also probably why the "Magic" formula hasn't been posted. bacause we would probably see it ain't what it's said to be.

Of course no human could calcualte, with any accuracy the specfic nuances of a particular dive, in their head! It's obvious!

AS said, how could anyone assume that the dive commputer would/could be worse than what's been written on a slate??? How did those slate numbers come into being??? From Deco Planner evidently!!!!!!!

So what's the leap that it takes to put "Deco Planner model" into a dynamic, underwater computer and have it come out with an even MORE accurate plan specific to YOUR ACTUAL position in the water column!!!!

So what are the REAL reasons?? I haven't a clue.

Task loading?? I think not.

A hang-up of gear thing?? I think not.

A COST thing??? Hardly. Add up your gear and your training, it ain't SPIT with regards to that stuff!

Pahleeze!

Yes Mr. Kane, with all do respect you deserve (And you DO!) this is a flaw, and your "Fudge" ISN'T a "Fix" as the DIR Mantra goes......

It's a usefull tool with no downsides.

 

[DeepScuba]

SeaJay:

Your quote..........

I think you'd impress MHK too. I know I did. Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean good things. After all, the Three Stooges were impressive, too.

But heck, who is MHK anyway? I'm sure you could teach him a few things. He really needs to learn about them new-fangled things called computers...

I would suggest you obtain the FACTS as to my diving ability before describing it as "Three Stooges".

But of course, you don't rely on facts, do you?

I thought this from day one, and I was happy enough not to mention it, but since you brought it up..........

You said in your first round of posts, that YOU were the guy that your group looked up to, that you were the guy with the answers, the top-dog of your crew, as it were...........

Well Pal, just how poor a bunch of divers are you guys???

Trust me, he WAS thinking what a Stroke with you. Never dove doubles?/ Going to a DIR course of any type with a single and jacket BC???

Oh how could he restrain himself!!!!!

Pahleeze pal.

This is typical of how folks that know $hit, dive into a DIR program and chew chew chew, with ZERO of their own thinking involved as to the FACTS of every little nuance they are taught.

Your underlying loyalty is commendable, but understand the difference between FACT and subjective opinion. You haven't even contemplated the chance that what you have been taught just MIGHT not be 100000% correct.

BigD and my posts basically have proven out the subjective opinion of no computers is a Fudge, not a fix to diver laziness and as such is flawed, in true DIR thinking.

Yes SeaJay my friend, no doubt MHK's thinking would probably be close to.........."Not bad, for a Stroke"

Evidently we could teach him a few thing about computers.

SO he's a better diver......so what? Does this categorically mean he's NEVER wrong about diving? It's PURE subjective opinion that shouldn't be taught as fact.

I suggest an impartial going over of the facts in your own mind.

 

[MHK]

SeaJay once bubbled...
Glad it made a little sense. And without a flame war! Must be a new Scubaboard record.

Mike's got the knowlege... Anything I know I just picked up here and there. Maybe if we ask politely he'll share a little more of that knowlege...

Mike, I'm still gonna take you to the 'Doria one day. Mark my words.

Seajay,

I'm happy to share whatever I can, but while this thread started out well, it's turning into a flame war and I want no part of that.. Any serious questions I'm happy to answer so just let me know..

Thanks

 

[DeepScuba]

Figures.........

The wheels of backpedal are moving.........pretty soon, a seal of approval for "certain types" of computers.........

It's OK though, I know for a FACT I'd be well served by doing a DIR course just the same.

And I do mean that sincerely.

I've got LOTS yet to learn, which doesn't preclude me from knowing already when something doesn't smell right.

Regards, fellas.

 

[O-ring]

DeepScuba once bubbled...
Figures.........

The wheels of backpedal are moving.........pretty soon, a seal of approval for "certain types" of computers.........

It's OK though, I know for a FACT I'd be well served by doing a DIR course just the same.

And I do mean that sincerely.

I've got LOTS yet to learn, which doesn't preclude me from knowing already when something doesn't smell right.

Regards, fellas.

DIR changes like any other system. Believe me, it changed from when I first heard about it until I took DIRF. Then, it changed again from the time I took DIRF until I took Cave a year later. Not drastic changes, but little things here and there. Who knows, maybe the DIR system will embrace a computer one of these days... I just hope it isn't some $1000 POS that spits out ridiculous schedules.

 

[detroit diver]

Backpedal? Nope. I didn't read it that way at all.

It looks like he just doesn't want to participate in a flame war.

Pretty simple.

DeepScuba once bubbled...
Figures.........

The wheels of backpedal are moving.........pretty soon, a seal of approval for "certain types" of computers.........

It's OK though, I know for a FACT I'd be well served by doing a DIR course just the same.

And I do mean that sincerely.

I've got LOTS yet to learn, which doesn't preclude me from knowing already when something doesn't smell right.

Regards, fellas.

 

[Big-t-2538]

You're just too chicken to dive the ridiculus schedules...don't you know computers know all........Uncle Pug can tell you just how cool computers are.

 

[The Chairman]

DeepScuba your baiting and harrassment are WAY OFF BASE! STOP NOW! This thread will be trimmed of the petty attacks and may be pulled altogether if you can't stop being so petty.

IF ANYONE HAS A PROBLEM WITH THIS>>> PM ME DIRECTLY. ANY RESPONSE TO THIS (FOR OR AGAINST) IN THIS THREAD WILL BE DELETED IMMEDIATELY!

 

[Uncle Pug]

...don't feed the trolls... starve them into submission.

Ooops... so sorry... I was going to respond to a few posts but since I have moderator powers and accidently hit edit and then accidently hit delete... I guess I disappeared a few posts... soooo sorry

 

[DeepScuba]

Instead, I will quote only what other's have in this thread already.......

Thanks Bigdriver........(Quote)

.....That having been said, I have to say that I cannot understand how MHK can argue against wet computers as he does, when his argument is deeply flawed from the start. He speaks of a "device (which) when operating, renders information that was plugged in by other humans." Are we then to asssume that it was some other race of creatures who programmed the calculators and computers that created the dive tables we use today? Are we to assume also that this human rendered information is MORE accurate if it is imprinted somehow on paper, or plastic, or dive slates, or stone tablets, and then transferred by another human, by hand, to yet another other form of representation?

As to his characterization of Buhlman-based recreational dive computers, I would have to simply point out that they work quite well, obviously, for the recreational dive market. As for what we do, I too am a fan of RGBM; perhaps more than most, since I have put an extreme amount of study into the subject before adopting it!......

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Very nice and peaceful-like.........