DIR Class: The Truth Comes Out

[MikeFerrara]

Why don't we talk about deco with a computer vs. deco without one outside of a DIR/non-DIR context.

I don't use a computer but it doesn't have anything to with DIR. You don't need a secret formula to do it either. You don't even need a slate full of schedules. You can decide when, why and how to add conservatism.

Recreational dives are just as easy.

 

[DeepScuba]

Scott:


Buddy you SO missed the point!!!!

It was infact the perfect DIR comment, you just didn't get it because you haven't heard enough of their mantra!!

But when you do, you wil recall that point quite well.

(This one)

WOULD NOT be to "Fudge" the fix by removing the computer, but should rather be to "FIX" the problem of human laziness to proper understanding/training.

(End This one)

It wasn't a poke at you, but a comment as to why THEY say you shouldn't use a computer.

It's silly, dare I say a "dumb" reason.

As to the comments about computers "bending" you. RED HERRING.


What good would a new and revamped super computer be if it relied on last years algorithms??? There's always gotta be a twist. ANd as such, next years 'puters will have an even improved version of today's RGBM's.

Maybe we might even end up with a GUE/DIR Computer that's tried tested and approved by them!!!

Wouldn't that be nice!!

FWIW: We use deep stops, according to our Deco planner software as well, along with TDI prescribed 30fpm ascent, and many different computers with different algorithms....this ain't Navy Table diving!

NO FLAME NO FLAME!!!!

I swear it!!!

Just honest, plain and dead-nuts simple facts, along with a few SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS

Tehehe

I love this thread guys.

Nice to meet you Michael Kane.........don't worry, sooner or later you'll get my 2 cents..........I will learn correct procedures from anybody, but I'm the guy that will do the dive, so it's always my best judgment given the info I have learned, that will ultimately be the deciding factor as to HOW I dive.

I guarantee you, a computer WILL be on my wrist!

Talk to you soon.

 

[Ender]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...
Why don't we talk about deco with a computer vs. deco without one outside of a DIR/non-DIR context.

I don't use a computer but it doesn't have anything to with DIR. You don't need a secret formula to do it either. You don't even need a slate full of schedules. You can decide when, why and how to add conservatism.

Recreational dives are just as easy.

That depends on the experience level I'd say.
I didn't want to bring it in, but MHK already sort of mentioned it - some very experienced guys I know dive "by the ear". Just because by now they know their bodies so well that they have a very good feel for what is the "right" deco schedule for them on any given dive. As far as I know none of them was ever bent (or at least won't admit to it ). But it didn't happen overnight either.

I'd still have a slate and backup - I just don't trust my brain to do the maths (or even remember it) in all situations and conditions.


Vlad

 

[ScottyK]

DeepScuba once bubbled...
Scott:


Buddy you SO missed the point!!!!

It was infact the perfect DIR comment, you just didn't get it because you haven't heard enough of their mantra!!

But when you do, you wil recall that point quite well.

(This one)

WOULD NOT be to "Fudge" the fix by removing the computer, but should rather be to "FIX" the problem of human laziness to proper understanding/training.

I'm not trying to poke at you either, but you are reading so much more into my statement than was there, and using it to make a point that has nothing to do with what I said.

I read a book.

I found an interesting idea, and had a frank, productive conversation about it with my dive buddy.

We found something that could possibly improve our diving and are trying it out.

There's nothing more in there. If you're trying to convince me that you are also keeping an open mind, it would be more convincing if you wouldn't say things like "that's because you haven't heard enough of their mantra". It makes you look like you're only sending, and not recieving.

Non pokingly yours......Scott

 

[DeepScuba]

No Honestly Scott, I made myself laugh big-time by my imitation of a DIR Instructor.......I should play it right after one of their very similar comments RE: Stroke gear set-ups.

You'd laugh your head off at the similarities!!!!

Uhmmmm, I guess you had to be there. It was a funny gag at them, most here probably didn't get it.

Damn, I'm on the GUE website and I still can't find the link to the magic formula.......

My POS computer must be giving me bad readings..........Well I did just blow through my last Deep-scan, and ascended through the RAM column quite quickly for a few bites.........$hit, shoulda used the GUE Operating System I guess.........

HAHAHA

C'mon!!!!!

Laugh, damn-it!

 

[DeepScuba]

Ender my GOOD friend writes:

........That depends on the experience level I'd say.
I didn't want to bring it in, but MHK already sort of mentioned it - some very experienced guys I know dive "by the ear". Just because by now they know their bodies so well that they have a very good feel for what is the "right" deco schedule for them on any given dive. As far as I know none of them was ever bent (or at least won't admit to it ). But it didn't happen overnight either.
.......

"OR at least won't admit it", NOR will they teach it!

Just as I had eluded to yesterday..........YUGOSLAVIAN DECO.

I've done it too........and it's wrong, dead wrong.

If you can remember an actual schedule, thats fine, but it still should be written down anyways, since there's simply no reason not to.

You couldn't feel a bubble in you until it was already too late and I'm sure it wouldn't feel like a Coke-burp either!, so I'll not hear of any God-Like special bubble detector inherent in any GUE Instructor..........BS FLAG.

Sure, I FEEL like I've done enough deco.......hahaha

Take that to the bank and spend it!

That being said........sure, if you do enough of the same dive profiles, you're gonna know the schedule. SO that's a reason to NOT use a computer???

I hope not, That's just laziness, which BTW is NON-DIR

Regards, boys.


Oh yes, I'm speaking almost purely Deco diving in all this, FWI ever was worth.

 

[O-ring]

I think the "deco on the fly" or "rule of thumb" or whatever you want to call it is a lot different than modified yugoslavian deco (although you did give me a chuckle)..

 

[DeepScuba]

O-ring.........I'd like to see just how different.


C'mon Michael Kane you fine lookin' fella!! gimme the goods on the Amazing GUE "Palm O/S" on the fly formulae.

It's gotta be pretty simple for someone to manage gas switches and different Mix's in one easy to remember package!

Either that, or it is YUGO-ish.........

By the way, I didn't mean by my "2 cents" comment that it was going to be verbal...............I REALLY meant, your pound of flesh for your classes!!

The problem is, now, I'd have to attend incognito or "somehow" I'd be lost due to non-DIR diving while on course

Maybe like SeaJay and his Solo RIGHT AFTER the class!!! Tsk Tsk SeaJay!

Haha

And on a single!!!!!

Oh my gosh...........did you learn nothing

Regards.

 

[SeaJay]

Well, that dive was definitely NOT DIR.

As it's been mentioned before, I may not be the best example of DIR. But I'm trying. My ears and eyes are open, and I'm practicing.

My thought process at the time was, "That was crazy... I can't believe I just did that to something that I love so much. I'm gettin' back in the water... The way I was taught... And going diving to remind myself why I dive."

Well... The solo dive from hell went perfectly... I had no issues, and no unexpected problems. In all, the dive was relatively uneventful.

Good thing, hunh?

The bottom line is that the solo dive was a huge wakeup call for me. Diving PADI and then diving DIR and then diving PADI again because I wasn't any good at DIR... Well, it was like driving a Yugo, then a Ferrari, and then going back to the Yugo. Before I'd driven the Yugo, I thought I was fast. Going to the Ferrari, I found out that I wasn't so hot after all... But going back to the Yugo was like, "Man, how can I do this?"

...So rather than accept my place in the driver's seat of the Yugo, I decided - actually while I was solo diving and driving my Yugo - that I wanted to drive Ferraris from now on.

...And that hasn't been easy. But I wouldn't go back... I'm glad I did it. It really drove home the tenants of DIR.

What better could be said about a dive than, "I lived" and "I realized that there's a better way?"

 

[DeepScuba]

Hey man I ain't beating on you. Shoot, I've done solo, and at over 100ft too.

But I did it DIR......well, maybe not Michael Kane DIR....tehe

But I didn't want to drop my computer in the mud to be 100%DIR!

Seriously, I would never do it on a single with zero redundancy.

Does a 200ft semi-solo count?? I thought my buddy bailed, but in reality he was behind me with his little scout, I just couldn't see him!

Yes the plan at the surface was I'm going and I don't care if he does. His canister light is pooched, and I ain't wasting all this trimix!

Oooooh Trimix........Hey Michael Kane, END of 100ft qualify?

Sorry, I used a table on that one.....followed by Yugo-Deco, but I STILL wore a computer


You see!!! I can be DIR without the handshake!!

I love this thread.........

Regards.

I guess I should get off this thing and get into the water for a change......