DIR Class: The Truth Comes Out

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WreckWriter once bubbled...

In the meantime, let me know what you need and I can at least give you some research help.

Remember one thing: the sub is not likely :)

Thanks for the offer. Certainly I will need help, so don't be surprised if you hear from me. :D

The sub: I take it then that you are on the UWEX mailing list? Cool! Yeah, I don't think it's likely either... And the area that I'm talking about is relatively shallow (less than 80 feet) for many miles in any direction. I don't know why a U-boat captain would want to subject himself to that.

Still, that guy was awfully convincing... :)

I'll be going out there soon. I'll let you know what I find. :D
 
SeaJay once bubbled...


Thanks for the offer. Certainly I will need help, so don't be surprised if you hear from me. :D

The sub: I take it then that you are on the UWEX mailing list? Cool! Yeah, I don't think it's likely either... And the area that I'm talking about is relatively shallow (less than 80 feet) for many miles in any direction. I don't know why a U-boat captain would want to subject himself to that.

Still, that guy was awfully convincing... :)

I'll be going out there soon. I'll let you know what I find. :D

Yea, I wrote my theory on that on the UWEX, as did Barnie and a few others. Its fairly certain.

Yea, I mean it, contact me any time.

WW
 
Hoppy once bubbled...
I have only one thing to say, having waited for this report for what seems like ages !

THANK YOU :)

My pleasure!

Thanks a lot, you guys, for the compliments. Y'all make me want to write more... :D

Maybe I'll start a wreck thread with WreckWriter and talk about "the search" for the mysterious disappearing U-boat that's supposed to haunt these local zero-vis waters.

That could be fun, hunh?
 
SeaJay once bubbled...
Maybe I'll start a wreck thread with WreckWriter and talk about "the search" for the mysterious disappearing U-boat that's supposed to haunt these local zero-vis waters.

That could be fun, hunh?

If you do I'll have to repost my "u/w myths" article :)
 
SCUBA Legends: Diving Myths and Phantoms of Florida

We've all heard the stories, sometimes on boats returning from a wreck dive, sometimes in smokey waterfront bars. They are the stuff of dreams, of the "big one" lying just offshore surely only hours from discovery. These are some of the myths and legends of underwater Florida. In some of these stories there is a grain of truth, in others the mists of time conceal the answers....

The great rolling submarine of the Gulf: This is one of the finest, and most unlikely. I get questions on this fairly regularly. The story goes that in the Gulf of Mexico a German U-boat, her pressure hull still sealed, ballasted with extremely valuable but poisonous mercury, moves at the mercy of the tides. She has been seen by many, usually by a "friend of a friend who is a captain" as she breaks the surface like a broaching whale, only to sink back down before she can be located with certainty. She remains elusive, a phantom of war....

This story, while compelling, is filled with more holes than a depth-charged u-boat. Research through both American and German u-boat experts shows no sub unaccounted for in this area. This same research also puts to bed the theory of u-boats being ballasted with mercury. It simply wasn't done.

The Fort Lauderdale submarine: She lies just outside the third reef, in about 90 feet of water. The merciless sands continually shift to cover and uncover her remains, allowing for only a brief occasional glimpse. Once she allowed a photograph which was published in a dive magazine. Unfortunately the photo was so poorly focused that it could have been anything, including the sail of a submarine....

Again, Research through both American and German u-boat experts shows no sub unaccounted for in this area.

The Key Largo submarine: In this case we have no adventurous tales, only consistent rumors of a u-boat sunk of Key Largo.

Once again, no sub unaccounted for in this area. Interestingly enough, the wreck of the Vitric, a freighter barge which carried tanks of syrup, shows an intriguingly rounded profile on a depth sounder in some circumstances. This may be the birthplace of these rumors. Perhaps years ago she was dived on air. A narcosis addled brain could possibly see a submarine in her deck tanks....

The Key Largo tanker: She was lost in war yet somehow missed by history. Rumors of a tanker wreck seaward of Key Largo have persisted over the years. Once I was given loran numbers to this gallant warrior.

On a summer day in the early 90s we set out, 2 divers and a boat handler in a small private boat, in search of history and glory. Reaching the spot we set a jug yet the bottom showed as flat and featureless, 200 feet below. For hours we searched, running pattern after pattern when finally the depth sounder exploded with activity! We could see shoals of fish and what appeared to be the structure of a "2 headed" vessel, surely a T-2 tanker! We set the hook quickly and prepared to dive, anticipation gnawing at our brains.

Swimming downward into the blue, the first tingles of narcosis appearing as we swam through millions of baitfish and jacks. Finally reaching the bottom. Flat sand. We had missed. I took a compass heading in my best guess direction and we began swimming. Soon she loomed out of the mists, a small sailboat.

She lies at 200 fsw on a flat featureless sand plain. Her hull is empty yet her mast reaches toward the surface. She has clearly rested here long. Since the area is so devoid of structure, this wreck has attracted fish in unbelievable numbers, numbers great enough to give the effect, on a small cheap depth sounder, of a large wreck, perhaps a tanker....

Searching for the lost, yet found: Their names haunt the aspiring wreck hunter, Oxford, Moonstone, Dixie, Moffett, Ice Fog, and the list goes on. Vessels listed as casualties on various lists such as Lloyds List. Found through research in dusty archives and yellowed newspapers crumbling with age. They were lost so surely they remain, forgotten in time, rich prizes which may easily be found. These are wrecks which I have been invited to help search for during my career. Luckily I have not yet been fooled as so many others have....

Each of the vessels listed above and countless more, were indeed lost but were also later recovered. Many researchers stop researching too quickly and thus are expeditions born which are doomed from the start, searching for that which is no longer there.....

The Motorcycle Wreck: In this case we reach the pinnacle of wreck diving legends, one that may actually exist. The story goes, with some variations, that she is a freighter with a cargo of motorcycles bound for a distant shore, usually a shore torn by war. Somehow she met her fate somewhere between Key Largo and Marathon. Today she lies waiting, variously reported at 150 and 300 foot depth and everywhere in between.

During research for my last book I interviewed an old treasure hunter. This man had dived Keys waters for decades and had seen many strange sights. Among the strangest, he reported, was the ship filled with motorcycles. He gave the location as "seaward of French Reef, in 150 foot". Many days, many weeks, many months, I searched the waters off French but found nothing. Perhaps she still awaits, perhaps, like so many others, she lives only in the minds of those who seek her.

WW
 
I wanted to give Sea Jay an opportunity to fully complete his trip report before I jumped in for comment.

First off let me say that the enthusiasm you *feel* in his report is second only to his enthusiam in class. That is one seriously enthusiatic guy..

Secondly, I want to commend Sea Jay on his report, that was quit a detailed effort so thanks..

Most who have taken our class pretty much know that positive reinformcement isn't our strong suit ;-), but we do try, in all candor, to provide an honest accounting of what we see, and how we think we can offer guidance and training tips to help you reach the bar that we have hopefully demonstrated through video, land drill and then in-water work. We know that it's impossible to turn you into *expert* diver's in one weekend so our efforts are focused in teaching you the skills, and then more importantly giving painstacking feedback to help you train, practice and improve after we leave..

To that end, Sea Jay was not nearly as bad as he tried to make himself out to be, I strongly suspect that he put way too much pressure on himself. In fact, diving should be all about having fun, whether diving to practice or for your average dive, those of us that have taken our class know that we use a training day -v- game day analogy in this regard.. I suspect that Sea Jay was putting much too much pressure on himself to nail the drills perfectly, and when he had a little trouble lost some focus. To his credit, he didn't give up, he collected his thoughts and regrouped admirably.. BTW, Sea Jay I have your photo op moments ;-), but many on this list have PM me and offered big bucks for the *not-so* photo' op moments ;-) So let the bidding begin ;-)

In any event, much of what we at GUE try to promote is about mental focus and while not every one gets it initially, it is so much more enjoyable to us as instructors to work with guys like Sea Jay who don't simply want to argue every concept, but actually want to improve.. Thta isn't meant to suggest that we don't want our students to challenge us and ask us, it's more meant as a comment that why some GUE instructors don't get on the various scuba forums and make themselves more available is that at times it get's old having the same tired arguments, with people that have no intention of ever taking a GUE class and simple want to posture on the net for ego purposes..

Sea Jay mentioned that Andrew and I were having fun, and that is because we were. I was with Andrew this weekend in San Diego and we discussed your report and both of us thought we were a bit down for the class because we had just lost a friend, and we had just finished a pretty intense Triox workshop, but in the end I guess what you saw from AG and I is that for both of us there is nothing better then being around diver's that want to absorb knowledge, that want to improve and that come in with an open mind and check the ego's at the door.. Man, we love classes like that, and this class was no exception, right up until I read the part about you lighting up and doing a solo dive after we left ;-) Perhaps we didn't focus on team enough ;-)

Anyway, Sea Jay thanks for the report it was a joy to read..

Later
 
After seeing what lollipops and books go for, I'd hate to see how much we could get for a great photo of an over-excited Sea Jay....
 
MHK, I already planned on taking DIR-F at some point this year, but reading this thread and comments like yours below make me want to take it, like, TODAY! :D Thanks to both of you for contributing (both to this thread, and ScubaBoard).


MHK once bubbled...
Sea Jay mentioned that Andrew and I were having fun, and that is because we were. I was with Andrew this weekend in San Diego and we discussed your report and both of us thought we were a bit down for the class because we had just lost a friend, and we had just finished a pretty intense Triox workshop, but in the end I guess what you saw from AG and I is that for both of us there is nothing better then being around diver's that want to absorb knowledge, that want to improve and that come in with an open mind and check the ego's at the door.. Man, we love classes like that, and this class was no exception, right up until I read the part about you lighting up and doing a solo dive after we left ;-) Perhaps we didn't focus on team enough ;-)

Anyway, Sea Jay thanks for the report it was a joy to read..

Later
 

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