DCS--Playing the Odds

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There could be a lot of unnecessary fixing going on though. It is not like screening for the early stage of a disease, it might be a bit like pointing out to people that being overweight etc will be catching up with them soon I suppose.

It would be interesting to know whether there was any difference in the sorts of profiles that bent the bent divers with and without PFOs in those studies.
 
There could be a lot of unnecessary fixing going on though. It is not like screening for the early stage of a disease, it might be a bit like pointing out to people that being overweight etc will be catching up with them soon I suppose.

It would be interesting to know whether there was any difference in the sorts of profiles that bent the bent divers with and without PFOs in those studies.

The issue is really for new tech divers candidates to consider as that is the realistic way to introduce a screening. Which means a screening should be part of the intro tech training recommendations or requirements. But I suspect that extra step would scare off a number of people, and that would hurt the bottom line in some agencies.
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The issue is really for new tech divers candidates to consider as that is the realistic way to introduce a screening. Which means a screening should be part of the intro tech training recommendations or requirements. But I suspect that extra step would scare off a number of people, and that would hurt the bottom line in some agencies.
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Also the issue of whether health insurance will cover some of the cost of an elective TCD screening procedure for PFO.

I had a TCD done back in April 2009 which turned out negative, fortunately and free of charge as part of a very large male & female control group in a UCLA study of paradoxical CVA (stroke) and heart failure in pregnant women, caused by venous thromboemboli coming through a PFO.

(I remember the "word of mouth" spread back then in the Southern California tech diving community of this study, looking for volunteers in a "new PFO screening procedure")
 
These are the people most at risk of the ill-effects of a PFO, and suffering the consequences.

It is good to see that you have come to the realisation that VGE can be harmful.

Screening does not require a full TTE/TEE exam. There is a simple indicator test that is reliable enough to sort out and find the PFO people.
Unfortunately, a very complex and nuanced issue is being grossly over-simplified here.

The transcranial Doppler (TCD) test is no more simple, nor safer, nor cheaper than a transthoracic echocardiogram (TTE) test. Both tests involve the injection of bubble contrast into a vein and measuring the appearance of those bubbles in the arterial circulation. In the TCD test bubbles are detected in one of the brain blood vessels and in a TTE test they are vizualised in the heart chambers. Both tests require expertise and carry risks (albeit small). In our jurisdiction a `specialised tech` would not be allowed to independently inject bubbles into a patient and then try to detect them in the patient`s cerebral circulation. It would always involve a specialist doctor. Moreover, the TCD test only tells you there is a right to left shunt. It does not characterise it (the shunt could be a pulmonary shunt or PFO or atrial septal defect). If a diver had a positive TCD test and was interested in proceeding (eg seeing whether it is possible to close the shunt) then they would need second study with TEE or transesophageal echo (TEE). So they would end up having two tests instead of one.

There are very good reasons why TTE with bubble contrast (and not TCD) has been identified as the preferred test for a PFO by all the world`s major diving medical societies [1,2]

Those PFO people don't know of their elevated risk status, because the current system says they can only learn about it, after they get injured.

No, `the system` does not say that. We do bubble contrast TTE on divers (particularly technical divers) who have never had DCS often enough at their request. But this is always preceded by careful counselling about what they are getting into. Key elements of such counselling were recently outlined in Diving and Subaquatic Medicine [3]:

1. The bubble contrast echo test is relatively safe, but there are some risks. Transient symptoms of cerebral arterial gas embolism have been reported following strongly positive tests for right to left shunt.

2. The test is likely to be positive in at least 30% of cases (depending on the context) and the diver may then have some difficult options to choose from. To mitigate the risk implied by a large PFO the diver effectively has 3 options: give up diving, modify their diving practice in an attempt to reduce VGE production, or have the PFO repaired. If the diver does not intend to take one of those options, then there is little practical point in having the test.

3. A positive test after an episode of DCS does not guarantee that the PFO was the cause of the DCS.

4. As a corollary to point 3, repairing a PFO discovered after an episode of DCS does not guarantee that another event will not occur.

5. A negative test does not mean that the diver is “resistant” to DCS as many seem to believe.

6. The finding of a PFO may have unexpected negative ramifications for things such as career choices, diving insurance, general health insurance.

So, currently, it is entirely possible for a diver to be tested for a PFO if they want to be, whether they have had DCS or not; but we are careful to fully inform them what they are getting themselves into. It is also notable that the majority of divers with significant PFOs discovered after DCS have them found after recurrent mild events (like skin rashes) rather than serious events. So learning about it after they get injured is a slightly dramatic characterisation of the typical scenario.

What 'the system' does say is that mandatory pre-participation screening for PFO is not justified [1,2]. This is certainly true for diving as a whole and probably also for technical diving, but it is technical diving where things start to get tricky; mainly because of a lack of accurate data on the risk of major DCS events linked to PFO among this group. There is considerable anecdotal evidence suggesting that DCS is more common in technical diving than scuba air diving; perhaps dramatically so. Moreover, it is probably significantly under-reported (many mild cases ignored, or treated with surface oxygen / in-water recompression). Nevertheless, major cases are much more visible because they almost all find their way to a recompression chamber, and those cases still seem relatively rare and herein lies the essential problem. Pre-participation screening for PFO (which has some risk) would be hugely expensive, would prompt many to have closures (which has risks), all to prevent an unknown proportion of a relatively rare event. Can I be clear that there is some wooliness in all of the relevant numbers (the risk of screening, the risk of closure, and the risk of serious DCS events in technical diving). But at this time the medical community does not believe that pre-participation screening is justified purely on a risk vs benefit bases.

There are also other problems with the idea. For a start, the need to be screened would deter a lot of people who might not like the idea of having bubbles injected into them. The cost would also deter some (bubble contrast TTE costs around $800 in Auckland). Moreover, the test would detect a PFO in 30% of candidates. Although many of these would be small and insignificant lesions, once a diver has the PFO label it is often hard to make such distinctions no matter how rational. I expect a huge proportion of that 30% would decline to proceed. In short, pre-participation screening for PFO would likely devastate the technical diving industry. This would not be a reason for avoiding it were it justified. But see my above comment about risk vs benefit.
I would also like to note that some commentators seem to believe that if we took PFOs out of the equation we would no longer have to worry about VGE. This is not true. The presence of VGE probably incites inflammatory reactions in the blood, and if there are enough of them they can cause pulmonary DCS ("the chokes"). More importantly, VGE can access the arterial circulation via pulmonary shunts (blood vessels which bypass the capillary beds of the lungs) which are variable (they can open and close) and therefore not reliably detectable. There is nothing we can do about these, so VGE will always be a consideration whether we screen for PFOs or not.

Finally, I would like to be clear that my comments above which relate to mandated pre-participation screening are not to be interpreted as suggesting that there is no merit in PFO testing and closure under any circumstances. Like all diving physicians I refer divers who report indicative DCS events for PFO testing, and after careful counselling, sometimes recommend closure for those who have a large PFO, who wish to continue diving, and who have limited scope for increasing conservatism. There is emerging evidence that closure of a significant PFO is effective in preventing DCS events [4,5].

Simon M

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These are the people most at risk of the ill-effects of a PFO, and suffering the consequences.
It is good to see that you have come to the realisation that VGE can be harmful.


I didn't say or suggest anything about VGE. This discussion is about PFO, not VGE.

It's your assumption / opinion only, that arterialized VGE is a direct cause of the injury. But, In the papers and research, can you cite a testing of arterialized VGE that demonstrates and isolates it as the sole cause of injury? I have not seen any published proof of this.

On the contrary, In recent years I have seen some expert opinion that has dismissed the arterialized VGE theory as a cause for injury. i.e. discounting your assumption above.

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I didn't say or suggest anything about VGE. This discussion is about PFO, not VGE.

There is no other plausible explanation (than arterialized VGE) for the strong association between PFO and spinal, cerebral, inner ear and cutaneous DCS. So, by highlighting the importance of PFO you are acknowledging the importance of VGE.

It's your assumption / opinion only, that arterialized VGE is a direct cause of the injury. But, In the papers and research, can you cite a testing of arterialized VGE that demonstrates and isolates it as the sole cause of injury? I have not seen any published proof of this.

Yes. There are multiple studies reporting transient or permanent symptoms akin to cerebral DCS in strongly positive bubble contrast echocardiography in humans when venous bubbles become arterialized in large numbers [1-6]. Bubble contrast contains bubbles virtually identical in size to VGE formed in decompression [7]. In addition, the observation of cerebral symptoms, but no inner ear, spinal or skin symptoms in bubble contrast echocardiography tests supports the hypothesis that VGE cause the latter 3 forms of DCS when they grow after arriving in a supersaturated tissue (the tissues are obviously not supersaturated when a bubble contrast echo is performed so any bubbles arriving don't grow).

On the contrary, In recent years I have seen some expert opinion that has dismissed the arterialized VGE theory as a cause for injury. i.e. discounting your assumption above.

No diving medicine experts have 'dismissed the arterialized VGE theory'. There has been interest (which is ongoing) about the possibility of other circulating agents known as microparticles being agents of injury in DCS. This is certainly possible but not to the exclusion of arterialized VGE. If you think carefully about it you will be able to work out for yourself why the microparticle issue does not refute the deductions that can be made about arterialization of VGE based on the importance of right to left shunt in DCS.

1. Wilmshurst et al. Relation between interatrial shunt and decompression sickness in divers. Lancet December 1989:1302-1306.

2. Srivastava TN and Undesser EK. Transient ischemic attack after air contrast echocardiography in patients with septal aneurysm. Ann Intern Med. 1995;122:396.

3. Holcomb BW et al. Iatrogenic paradoxical air embolism in pulmonary hypertension. Chest 2001;119:1602-1605.
4. Christin F et al. Paradoxical symptomatic air embolism after saline contrast transesophageal echocardiography. Echocardiography. 2007;24:867–9.

5. Romero JR et al. Cerebral Ischemic Events Associated With ‘Bubble Study’ for Identification of Right to Left Shunts. Stroke 2009;40:2343-2348.

6. Sorenson SG et al. Transient neurological symptoms during contrast transcranial Doppler right-to-left shunt testing in patients with cryptogenic neurological disease. J Interv Cardiol 2010;23:284-290.

7. Sastry S et al. Is Transcranial Doppler for the Detection of Venous-to-Arterial Circulation Shunts
Reproducible? Cerebrovas Dis 2007;23:424-429.
 
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