Daughter now diving a CCR -- with manatees!

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Clem:

Thanks for your comments. Everyone is welcome to their opinion. It's a free country.

Obviously, you don't NEED a CCR for this type of diving. It's TRAINING for Pete's sake! My training courses start in shallow, clear water. Weeki Wachee is a great training site as it's basically a large swimming pool. The manatee happened to be in the area, like the turtles.

Warren L:

The bubbles were from the open circuit divers below us :)

Yukoneer:

It's my usual Canon 300D in a Sea&Sea housing with dual YS-120 strobes.
 
clem:
No bravos from this diver. What a waste of technology. Grab a snorkel or -at best- an 80 cf AIR tank and dive with these silly creatures for hours. Why subject an 18 year old child to a technology with an way outside the norm failure rate and a death rate per use that is beyond the pale. Sling stages and nitrox at 20 feet? Perhaps it is this
"approach" to diving that has "professionals" in Florida putting divers in used rubber bags..
not in new wetsuits.

Your comment is awfully rude and basically a wet blanket. Does every dive on a rebreather have to be to 600fsw??? If you read Doug's statement correctly, his daughter has had a *desire* to try a rebreather for quite some time. I don't see how you twist it into her being subjected to the techology.

"Death rate beyond the pale"? I assume you don't dive a rebreather. Do you? Have you ever wondered how come the people that manufacture rebreathers never perish on them? Have you ever wondered why Tom Mount has not perished with all of his hundreds of rebreather dives? Or how about Jeff Bozanic? Hmmm...interesting isn't it? You should arm yourself with knowledge before making uninformed statements. Divers that were not trained properly or that become complacent are usually caught by a device that is not very forgiving.

A form of bailout is typically required on a rebreather. The "sling stage" is appropriate for this. The ignorance displayed by you was not called for.
 
debersole:
Everyone is welcome to their opinion. It's a free country.

Sorry to disagree with you, but it's not a free country, it's a Democracy. And the majority of us think Clem is an idiot. :wink:

Nice pics, and congrats to your daughter!
 
Excellent shots Doug and kudos to your daughter. And probably a good move having her start with a KISS where she is required to manually fly the CCR.
 
Wonderful photos and thoughts Doug. Reminds me of getting started in diving with my daughter Coleen 20 years ago. She now has over 1000 dives logged and diving has created a wonderful bond between us. Bravo to you and Kim.

++Ken++
 
Those are some excellent shots you got there! How much do those things weight by the way? She has to be one fit girl to be able to stand up with all that equipment on :)

As O2bubblefree mentioned most countries aren't free but have a democracy and I need to give my vote to his view on Clem aswell. Not that it's wrong to disagree with people. There just isn't any reason to be so rude in doing so.
 
Thanks for the kind words everyone (well, almost everyone). The sport Kiss only weighs 38 lbs. That's about like wearing an aluminum 80.
 
What are the Disadvantages of Rebreathers?

Discipline and Training

All kinds of rebreathers have certain specific complexities which introduce forms of risk not experienced by scuba divers. The fundamental difference between open-circuit scuba and rebreather systems is that on scuba, if a diver can breathe and is not outside well-established depth limits, the breathing gas is going to be life-sustaining (assuming the cylinder was filled properly). If there is a problem with an open-circuit system, the problem is usually very self-evident to the diver, so the diver at least is aware of the problem and can takes steps toward a solution.

With rebreathers, however, the breathing gas may be dynamic, and thus the oxygen concentration may drift out of life-sustaining range within the course of a single dive. In the case of oxygen rebreathers, if the breathing loop is not adequately flushed prior to commencing the dive, the fraction of nitrogen in the breathing gas may be high. For oxygen rebreathers with passive-addition oxygen control systems, it is possible that the diver may breathe-up all of the oxygen in the breathing loop before the oxygen addition valve is triggered, thus leaving only nitrogen. In the case of semi-closed rebreathers, oxygen concentration in the breathing loop depends on diver workload. Under certain circumstances, especially during high exertion and/or during an ascent, the oxygen concentration in a semi-closed rebreather could drop to dangerously low levels. The inherent weakness of closed-circuit rebreathers is the reliance on electronics to control the oxygen concentration in the breathing loop. As any underwater photographer knows, electronics and water (particularly salt water) do not mix. Indeed, closed-circuit rebreathers have earned a somewhat notorious reputation as being "unreliable", largely due to failures of the electronic O2 control system (leading to either too much, or too little oxygen in the breathing loop).

These problems can be largely avoided if oxygen rebreathers are adequately flushed with pure oxygen prior to a dive, if the gas supply rate of semi-closed rebreathers is adjusted carefully and the breathing loop is flushed with fresh gas prior to an ascent, and if multiple redundant oxygen sensors and oxygen control systems are incorporated into closed-circuit rebreathers. Unfortunately, symptoms associated with hypoxia and oxygen toxicity cannot be regarded as reliable precursors to black-out. Therefore it is ultimately up to the diver to take steps to ensure a continuous life-sustaining gas mixture in the breathing loop at all times. This level of discipline requires a great deal of discipline and training. Thus rebreather divers must have a higher dedication to equipment maintenance and operation than is generally required for open-circuit divers. Furthermore, rebreathers are generally more complex devices than open-circuit scuba gear, which also accounts for why they require more training time

A bit much for an 18 year old........

somewhat like giving a teen driver a Corvette...you push their luck, and yours.
 
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