Dates for January Wrinkles dive

[pasley]

I've always wanted to do Marineland. But I still think the BBQ thing is fun. Maybe not an extravaganza, but a few burgers during a surface interval is one of life's great pleasures. Especially if it's cold. Maybe some hot chocolate too. Does Marineland have a nice beach like Malaga?

These photos answer the question
http://www.californiacoastline.org/cgi-bin/image.cgi?image=4463&mode=sequential&flags=0&year=2002

http://www.californiacoastline.org/cgi-bin/image.cgi?image=4465&mode=sequential&flags=0&year=2002

No. Rock entry off bolders at the point is the normal entry. Pebble beach (think baking potato to bigger size rocks) is the alternate site for newer divers and when the waves are too big for the boulder entry.

It is a great dive site. Anytime you want to dive it, just give me a call.

 

[HBDiveGirl]

I think we're still pretty open on location. I thought we'd get the dates figured out and then let those in attendance vote on where they want to go.

Maybe we can discuss it when we get to the location poll. What do you all think?

Christian

Yeah, what Headhunter said! I'm for picking a date, then doing the etherealnet-group-meditation thing for a location. Purposeful happenstance?
Claudette
"Can we go diving now????":monkeydan

 

[Otter]

Where (for me) figures in greatly as to (when) I can go. I can go HERE anytime. I cannot got to Santa Barbara or even Catalina in January. a quandry.

Me too. The WHERE defines the WHEN.

 

[headhunter]

I think that it's a valid point that for some "the where defines the when" as Otter put it. It's good that this issue has been brought up by divinman and Otter. Scubapro5 also expressed this concern to me at Leo, so there are definitely some people that would rather start with "where".

My thought was that if we first assume that the "where" would be acceptable, we could then pick a "when" based upon a date that the most people could attend. Once we have a date when the most people could attend, then those people could vote on the location. It stands to reason that some locations might be too far for some and therefore make some of the originally available people unavailable.

I hope that this last paragraph wasn't too convoluted. I'm just trying to take a route that serves the greatest number of people. However, I see pitfalls whether we start with "when" or "where".

If most of you would rather pick the location first we can do it that way. We can decide by majority, although in the interest of time, I'm really trying to avoid starting another poll for that. Let's see if we can quickly come up with an overwhelming majority. If it looks really close, then I'll put up a poll to decide.

So, let me know here in this thread which method you all prefer.

Thanks.

Christian

 

[Otter]

Can we decide how many dives we are going to do, before we decide where first? If its 3 or 4 dives, it might be too cold to dive North......slap slap....ok, j/k.

 

[headhunter]

Can we decide how many dives we are going to do, before we decide where first? If its 3 or 4 dives, it might be too cold to dive North......slap slap....ok, j/k.

Funny guy!

Christian

 

[scottfiji]

It is a great dive site. Anytime you want to dive it, just give me a call.

Marineland is an unbelieveable dive site, a couple different dives can also be done there. No nice beach there though. Great views from the trails leading done. Possibly we could set up a make-shift barbecue area on the trail leading to the point, I'm not sure.

Just to throw an idea out there, there are, however, a couple of parks nearby with picnic tables, volleyball, walking trails, barbecue. According to yahoo maps, Robert Ryan park is 4 minutes drive from marineland, Hesse park is 6 minutes. I would imagine there is lots of parking there, as there is at marineland.

Here is more info on the parks:
http://palosverdeschamber.com/things_to_do.htm

Scott

 

[ScubaSeanMaui]

Christian, you think we could have a few other people participate in these decisions?
I think you are jumping the gun by making decisions without any feedback from the participants.

 

[mccabejc]

Me too. The WHERE defines the WHEN.

Agreed, to some extent. While the WHERE may in some cases define the WHEN, in a purely existential sense the WHERE IS THE WHEN.

Theorist Rollo May conceives of human beings, including divers, as conscious of self, capable of intentionality, and needing to make choices. To do this we must recognize and confront the paradoxes of our lives (in our case, priority of WHERE or WHEN). A paradox is two opposing things posited against each other, and all the while the fact is that they cannot exist without each other. Thus, good and evil, life and death, beauty and ugliness, and even WHERE and WHEN we dive appear to be at odds with each other. But May concludes the very confrontation with one breathes life and meaning into the other. Ergo, WHERE we dive gives life and meaning to WHEN we dive.

In our decision, remember that choosing the future brings ontological anxiety (fear of the unknown), whereas choosing the safe status quo brings ontological guilt (sense of missed opportunity). Authenticity involves accepting this painful state of affairs and finding the courage or hardiness to persist in the face of ontological anxiety and choose the future, thereby minimizing ontological guilt.

That being said, and in the words of the great philosopher Claudette, LET'S GO DIVING !!!!!!

 

[headhunter]

Christian, you think we could have a few other people participate in these decisions?
I think you are jumping the gun by making decisions without any feedback from the participants.

Sean,

I'm sorry if it appears that way. I don't in any way intend to jump the gun or ignore feedback from anyone. I've simply started to act in response to the way that it seems to have been working in the past. I could start every process by asking all of the questions that I assume the answers to, but I think that this would bring the entire process to a grinding halt.

I am truly interested in hearing from everyone and am of the opinion that this is all about everybody else, not me. That said, I'd love to hear your specific input on how to make the process better and allow everyone to be heard. Since it is difficult to determine tone in writing, I'll tell you that this was not intended to be a sarcastic remark, but a serious inquiry with the intent of improving the process. I've just been trying to put steps into the process that help eliminate hassel or confusion.

The real answer may be for me to simply step away from the process and let it proceed the way it did before I tried to help it along. It was a great event without my help and I'm certainly OK with simply allowing things to take their natural course without any intervention on my part. I would simply be a participant and help by doing whatever I can when asked.

All I want to do is help and I'm open to any and all suggestions from anyone.

Christian